Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLIV

[cheech70]

The Rangers aren't going to trade Hank unless he asks to be moved. Gorton and JD dont want a Leetch situation possibly tarnishing their legacy. Hank asking for a deal is the better situation for the Rangers. They'd get to set the terms and tell Hank that he might need to be flexible with his destinations for contenting teams. Calgary isn't a desirable destination for Hank, but it might be one of the few teams interested in his services.

Do I think that request gets made this summer? No, but it could come at the deadline if the team is terrible and Hank is losing more starts to Georgie and Igor. The Rangers won't get a lot in a trade even at 50% retention. The deal will be about a final favor to a Rangers legend and turning the page on his tenure here. The Ray Bourque path.

I disagree with you on the timing.After meeting with JD and getting no extension and goal sharing duties it will force Hank to make the choice between being a mentor or move on for the Cup. Probably makes sense to have that meeting soon.

 

[True Blue]

We’re missing a #1 center & a top pair. Until we get those we should hope for another lottery pick... unless ALL those assets that ur mentioning in the pipeline can buy ya those hard to find pieces.

Hint: they can’t

Agreed that the top pair is missing. #1 center though? ZBad is a legit top line center. He netted 74 points while routinely opposing the other team's top players. But yes, we completely need another top center.

 

[RGY]

You keep saying this but the facts don't really support it. He wants something in 2 years that he can't discuss for 13 more months? He's pouting over an extension literally no one can give him?

Isn't it more logical that he wants the rangers competitive with his career winding down? His last chance to win a cup. I mean, he said that the last 2 summers.

But I guess its cooler to paint a narrative that he is greedy, willing to tank his play until the team craves into his demand for an extension in a year. Can't just be a competitive athlete trying to win games. That is somehow "pouting".

Well according to some here it has gotten as harsh as ‘we owe Hank nothing’ and he did not even deserve the full 7 years when he signed his last contract. Only 5. Because thats how the market and league works.

Hank gave everything to this organization. We would not have gotten as close as we did without him. He earned those 7 years. The guy is human, he is allowed to be concerned about his personal future and how that lines up with the organization.

To scold him and berate him for it is absurd. Its absurd. There is some human emotion involved here. You can say its “business” but it certainly different when it comes to Hank.

 

[Off Sides]

Lundqvist can't even sign an extension until July 1st of 2020, so I'm not sure where that came from.

My guess, Rangers split time between him and Georgiev this season to start, they bring up Shesterkin here and there for some NHL starts should he be doing well in the AHL, and whoever plays the best ends up getting more and more starts. Georgiev is still waiver exempt too, and paper transactions for roster size limits are possible even should they not actually play in the AHL.

If by the deadline Lundqvist is being started less and less, he his asked whether or not he wants to stay even should he get less and less starts.

If he is the one getting more and more starts, one of the other two ends up in the AHL more and more, or one traded should a deal be worthwhile.

 

[cheech70]

 

[Gardner McKay]

LOL stop

So you can't articulate an argument against it so you post LOL twice?

Kids are going to need to be insulated. They are going to need competition. They are going to need support. BB isn't a bad option on a one year deal. I'm not saying this for a nostalgia/retread scenario, I just think it happens to make sense.

 

[LORDE]

Agreed that the top pair is missing. #1 center though? ZBad is a legit top line center. He netted 74 points while routinely opposing the other team's top players. But yes, we completely need another top center.

He is... & I certainly didn’t forget him or don’t agree that he’s a solid #1 but I’d rather have him as the 2nd line center.

We will also have to make a decision on him once the guys we’ve been drafting are all here and hopefully hitting their stride in a few years. I know that’s a ways off still... that’s about when K’Andre and the other young d corps will be here.

 

[GoAwayGiannone]

So you can't articulate an argument against it so you post LOL twice?

Kids are going to need to be insulated. They are going to need competition. They are going to need support. BB isn't a bad option on a one year deal. I'm not saying this for a nostalgia/retread scenario, I just think it happens to make sense.

I think hes saying lol to bringing back Ratelle and Park. Ya know, players who've been retired for decades lol.

 

[True Blue]

We will also have to make a decision on him once the guys we’ve been drafting are all here and hopefully hitting their stride in a few years. I know that’s a ways off still... that’s about when K’Andre and the other young d corps will be here.

Among the many, many reasons why signing UFAs to big contracts is not recommended right now. Need to first see how things shake out here, what's under the hood.

 

[wafflepadsave]

Florida could be a team for Henrik if he's willing to go there and if they decide not to chase Bobrovsky. I think Luongo is expected to retire and they want to dump Reimer. Their other goalie is Samuel Montambeault who doesn't have a whole lot of NHL experience. That said he would not be a long term solution like Bobrovsky could possibly be. OTOH Florida doesn't really have anything in the bank after Montambeault. That team needs to work on its goaltending situattion.

And hopefully they draft the goalie in the 1st round so someone else drops.

 

[East Coast Bias]

Well according to some here it has gotten as harsh as ‘we owe Hank nothing’ and he did not even deserve the full 7 years when he signed his last contract. Only 5. Because thats how the market and league works.

Hank gave everything to this organization. We would not have gotten as close as we did without him. He earned those 7 years. The guy is human, he is allowed to be concerned about his personal future and how that lines up with the organization.

To scold him and berate him for it is absurd. Its absurd. There is some human emotion involved here. You can say its “business” but it certainly different when it comes to Hank.

"It's a business" coming from posters who cannot understand why players push for max contracts. Or why coaches, on finite contracts, push to win. Or why certain GMs, in markets hurting financially, make short-term moves. Or why any GM, on a contract, doesn't have the green light to open end tank for 7 years. Or why an owner, losing revenue when his team doesn't make the playoffs, doesn't subscribe to their "THE ONLY WAY TO WIN A CUP IS" 10 year plan for building a team."

 

[bobbop]

Kessel to Minnesota would be good for the Rangers. Would likely leave more players for Kreider after Arizona and possibly Colorado miss out. Both have picks in the teens and some decent prospects in the system.

Arizona has no payroll room to make a deal. Until the new ownership is confirmed, they are financially locked down. That definitely raises the odds of a Kreider deal.

 

[bobbop]

I have never been 100% certain Lundquist would stay, raised questions in March and April and got flamed every time I posted something.

I cannot tell you I envisioned this exact scenario but I said it then and will say it again, I think there is a real chance that Lundquist is not with the Rangers in September.

New York is a tough place to grow old. Henrik’s goals and the teams goals no longer align. I would hate to see this end badly because he has meant so much to this franchise and this fan. It’s no accident my grandson is named Henrik.

 

[bobbop]

Hypothetically speaking, what are possible destinations for Lundqvist?

Carolina and Columbus are two that come to mind. Calgary, but that seems a little far fetched. I could also see Chicago depending on Crawford’s health.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

"It's a business" coming from posters who cannot understand why players push for max contracts. Or why coaches, on finite contracts, push to win. Or why certain GMs, in markets hurting financially, make short-term moves. Or why any GM, on a contract, doesn't have the green light to open end tank for 7 years. Or why an owner, losing revenue when his team doesn't make the playoffs, doesn't subscribe to their "THE ONLY WAY TO WIN A CUP IS" 10 year plan for building a team."

Absolutely no one is saying this. What people are saying is that rebuilds generally take more than 15 months, or more than one full NHL season.

 

[SA16]

Hypothetically speaking, what are possible destinations for Lundqvist?

Frolunda or his couch most likely.

 

[RangerBoy]

I have never been 100% certain Lundquist would stay, raised questions in March and April and got flamed every time I posted something.

I cannot tell you I envisioned this exact scenario but I said it the and will say it again, I think there is a real chance that Lundquist is not with the Rangers in September.

New York is a toug( place to grow old. Henrik’s goals and the teams goals no longer align. I would hate to see this end badly because he has meant so much to this franchise and this fan. It’s no accident my grandson is named Henrik.

That would be the best outcome for both parties.

You can just tell Lundqvist is getting antsy. His comments from a few weeks ago. His comments to Kevin Weekes about needing to get answers.

JD saying they need to get on the same page.

It’s hard to manage a once great player on the back nine of their career. We have seen many players end their careers on another team.

Favre. Montana. Even Brodeur and the Devils who wanted to go with Schneider.

 

[cheech70]

That would be the best outcome for both parties.

You can just tell Lundqvist is getting antsy. His comments from a few weeks ago. His comments to Kevin Weekes about needing to get answers.

JD saying they need to get on the same page.

It’s hard to manage a once great player on the back nine of their career. We have seen many players end their careers on another team.

Favre. Montana. Even Brodeur and the Devils who wanted to go with Schneider.

And if they ever did promise him starts or extended him then we would know this rebuild is fake

 

[RangerBoy]

Well according to some here it has gotten as harsh as ‘we owe Hank nothing’ and he did not even deserve the full 7 years when he signed his last contract. Only 5. Because thats how the market and league works.

Hank gave everything to this organization. We would not have gotten as close as we did without him. He earned those 7 years. The guy is human, he is allowed to be concerned about his personal future and how that lines up with the organization.

To scold him and berate him for it is absurd. Its absurd. There is some human emotion involved here. You can say its “business” but it certainly different when it comes to Hank.

It’s a business. It was business for Hank when he got every penny available to him in his last three contracts. The Rangers were more than fair with him. They were more than generous in the last 3 contracts.

The Rangers have to run their team. They can’t have Lundqvist chime in with his opinion. He has no authority. He is a player. Here we have a player asking about his role and if the teams plans are in sync with his plans.

That’s ridiculous. I don’t care who it is. Everyone should stay in their lanes.

Coaches coach. Players play.

 

[Avery16]

Carolina and Columbus are two that come to mind. Calgary, but that seems a little far fetched. I could also see Chicago depending on Crawford’s health.

Not that Hank is going anywhere, but less than zero % chance he'd play for Torts again.

 

[duhmetreE]

Absolutely no one is saying this. What people are saying is that rebuilds generally take more than 15 months, or more than one full NHL season.

And who is arguing against that arbitrary timeline? We started the process, of acquiring assets, nearly 2 years ago.

After this offseason, we should have enough ingredients to cook a winning meal. It's not instant. It will take time to be executed.

 

[bleedblue94]

Anyone heard if nyr is getting an draft pick compensation from phili for av signing there

 

[DutchShamrock]

Come on.....Hank has 2 seasons to audition for a new contract. I do not get the vibe that he is retiring. He is looking for his next contract. So would I. Would it be so bad if we go with G & S ? The timing is perfect for JD. Sather doesn't have to be the bad guy and someone new to Hank ...JD can be the well paid bad guy. And if I listened correctly JD asked Dolan all the questions and they agreed. Agreed to what? Maybe agreed that JD has final say on all hockey personnel decisions(maybe specifically Hank). There is 1 goal and if JD can pull it off he will have established his legacy.

Well this is put much more reasonably. I mean, "audition" is maybe the wrong word but I get your meaning. People know what he can do and I think athletes are always trying to prove their ability whether for pride or money in the future. I can buy the argument that he wants to have the best situation and a strong team leads to better stats.

I'm just going to put my foot down on the pouting talk. I think his primary motivation for a good team on the ice is for legacy, specifically the cup. Is he pandering, sulking, pouting? I don't know but why is that the assumption over competitiveness?

Well according to some here it has gotten as harsh as ‘we owe Hank nothing’ and he did not even deserve the full 7 years when he signed his last contract. Only 5. Because thats how the market and league works.

Hank gave everything to this organization. We would not have gotten as close as we did without him. He earned those 7 years. The guy is human, he is allowed to be concerned about his personal future and how that lines up with the organization.

To scold him and berate him for it is absurd. Its absurd. There is some human emotion involved here. You can say its “business” but it certainly different when it comes to Hank.

See, on the flip side, we don't even need to go very far to defend him. The only thing we truly owe him is that NMC in his contract. Maybe we should do right by him and send him to a team that can win like Bourque... but we don't really have a choice because he is picking his spot. He won't get banished to Edmonton or Hartford.

It's no surprise but fans bring much more emotion than the executives do. They aren't sneaking around behind the scenes upsetting him and planting quotes to get him out of town. They aren't signing a player in an attempt to flush him out of NYC. JD says he respects Hank, take it at face value. He played the game too. They'll talk just like he said and figure out the path forward. JD was clear about the plan and I don't get the impression it changes based on one player's wishes. Maybe that's something the organization owes Hank, an honest conversation. If he chooses to stay or go after that, you honor it.

 

[DutchShamrock]

This is a league that employs Mike Smith, Jake Allen and Brian Elliot. Scott Darling gets paid by an NHL team to not play in the NHL. Lehtonen is an alumni.

The need for 62 good goalies is legit. More and more tandums. Injuries all the time, but races are artificially tight because of the loser point. So everyone is in it. The market will be there.

The question is if Hank is willing to go. There is a balance between moving in the summer, which is better for the family but worse for a team with his cap hit, or moving at the TDL where the opposite is true. It's not easy. But it also isnt about maximizing a return or a bidding war.

 

[LORDE]

I just don’t see the issue with what Hank said AND what JD Said. They’ll have a conversation just as Gorton has certainly had with Hank (probably multiple times) where the plan is laid out and he can decide if he wants to be a part of that plan moving forward. He has a NTC and I’m certain that if he wants to leave and doesn’t have the stomach for another missed playoff, that they would do their best to move him to someplace he would like to go.

Of course that takes another team being on board but to me this is a non issue. He has 2 years left and if he plays them out there’s a good chance he does so sitting on a bench backing someone else up.

JD knows it, Gorton does, Quinn does, Benny Alaire does and I guarantee Hank knows it.