Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLIV

[GAGLine]

Edmonton has been rebuilding for 10 years. McDavid and Draisatl are not going to wait until 2019 and 2020 picks will be ready. They want to contend now. I think they prefer sign UFAs and do hockey trades than drafting high (they have drafted so many high picks for years. It's enough). I think they don't see themselves as a rebuilding team.

Yeah, I think Buffalo is in that boat too. They need to have some success, sooner rather than later.

 

[Avery16]

Colin Miller appears to be the righty version of Brendan Smith. In terms of discipline/consistency. Not sure he's what we want.

I hear Smith plays the right side better than the left.

 

[Trxjw]

The Rangers are one of a handful of teams that could absorb the full Lucic deal. It'd have to be an extremely nice package of sweeteners on top of that to make it worthwhile though. I don't think Edmonton is going to deal #8 and a top prospect to off-load him. Maybe Puljujarvi and Lucic for a sightly less terrible contract. That seems more plausible. The problem for Edmonton is that the situation seems to be at the point where both parties would gladly welcome a trade, and that tends to impact the locker room in a bad way.

As far as enforcing the agreement that he waived his NMC for expansion, that would be a bitter fight between the league and the NHLPA if he backed out on that after the trade went through. Not sure that would really be a concern. Especially since Lucic would probably welcome being picked up by Seattle since it's long been rumored he wanted to play close to Vancouver.

 

[Ola]

I would trade for Lucic and buy out just before the expansion draft

I don't think its an impossible alternative.

We are pretty screwed for a contending POV with Smith, Staal, Girardi and Shatty on the books. Its 2 more years.

#1
Vesey, Fast, Pionk and Nils Lundkvist for Lucic, Puljujärvi and 8th.

#2
Kreider to Arizona for 14th in 2019 and a 3rd in 2020, that becomes a 2nd if Kreider resigns there, that becomes a 1st if Arizona makes the POs in 19/20.

#3
Namestnikov@50% for Cally and Tampas 1st in 2019 (27th)

#4
Hank@50% to Calgary for 26th in 19'

#5
Shatty@50% to NYI for Scott Mayfield

#6
Buy-out Cally immediately, Lucic in 2020 (yes, a significant cost in 21' and 22', but we should have a little room then anyway, and the return is good)

#7
Sign Antony Stolartz

Kravy-Ziba-Puljujärvi
Lucic-Howden-Kakko
Lemieux-Lias-Buch
Smith-Boo-Vinny L/Virta
Staal-TDA
Skjei-Fox
Hajak-Mayfield
Geo
Stolartz

Picks in 2019
2 Kakko
8 Turcotte
14 Seider
26 Korzack
27 Rees

Thoughts?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I don't think its an impossible alternative.

We are pretty screwed for a contending POV with Smith, Staal, Girardi and Shatty on the books. Its 2 more years.

#1
Vesey, Fast, Pionk and Nils Lundkvist for Lucic, Puljujärvi and 8th.

#2
Kreider to Arizona for 14th in 2019 and a 3rd in 2020, that becomes a 2nd if Kreider resigns there, that becomes a 1st if Arizona makes the POs in 19/20.

#3
Namestnikov@50% for Cally and Tampas 1st in 2019 (27th)

#4
Hank@50% to Calgary for 26th in 19'

#5
Shatty@50% to NYI for Scott Mayfield

#6
Buy-out Cally immediately, Lucic in 2020 (yes, a significant cost in 21' and 22', but we should have a little room then anyway, and the return is good)

#7
Sign Antony Stolartz

Kravy-Ziba-Puljujärvi
Lucic-Howden-Kakko
Lemieux-Lias-Buch
Smith-Boo-Vinny L/Virta
Staal-TDA
Skjei-Fox
Hajak-Mayfield
Geo
Stolartz

Picks in 2019
2 Kakko
8 Turcotte
14 Seider
26 Korzack
27 Rees

Thoughts?

Too much Staal

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Wonder if we could dump Staal, get Miller and Clarkson(cap dump) from Vegas somehow?

 

[Ghost of jas]

I don't think its an impossible alternative.

We are pretty screwed for a contending POV with Smith, Staal, Girardi and Shatty on the books. Its 2 more years.

#1
Vesey, Fast, Pionk and Nils Lundkvist for Lucic, Puljujärvi and 8th.

#2
Kreider to Arizona for 14th in 2019 and a 3rd in 2020, that becomes a 2nd if Kreider resigns there, that becomes a 1st if Arizona makes the POs in 19/20.

#3
Namestnikov@50% for Cally and Tampas 1st in 2019 (27th)

#4
Hank@50% to Calgary for 26th in 19'

#5
Shatty@50% to NYI for Scott Mayfield

#6
Buy-out Cally immediately, Lucic in 2020 (yes, a significant cost in 21' and 22', but we should have a little room then anyway, and the return is good)

#7
Sign Antony Stolartz

Kravy-Ziba-Puljujärvi
Lucic-Howden-Kakko
Lemieux-Lias-Buch
Smith-Boo-Vinny L/Virta
Staal-TDA
Skjei-Fox
Hajak-Mayfield
Geo
Stolartz

Picks in 2019
2 Kakko
8 Turcotte
14 Seider
26 Korzack
27 Rees

Thoughts?

Chytil?

 

[Good Intentions]

I don't think its an impossible alternative.

We are pretty screwed for a contending POV with Smith, Staal, Girardi and Shatty on the books. Its 2 more years.

#1
Vesey, Fast, Pionk and Nils Lundkvist for Lucic, Puljujärvi and 8th.

#2
Kreider to Arizona for 14th in 2019 and a 3rd in 2020, that becomes a 2nd if Kreider resigns there, that becomes a 1st if Arizona makes the POs in 19/20.

#3
Namestnikov@50% for Cally and Tampas 1st in 2019 (27th)

#4
Hank@50% to Calgary for 26th in 19'

#5
Shatty@50% to NYI for Scott Mayfield

#6
Buy-out Cally immediately, Lucic in 2020 (yes, a significant cost in 21' and 22', but we should have a little room then anyway, and the return is good)

#7
Sign Antony Stolartz

Kravy-Ziba-Puljujärvi
Lucic-Howden-Kakko
Lemieux-Lias-Buch
Smith-Boo-Vinny L/Virta
Staal-TDA
Skjei-Fox
Hajak-Mayfield
Geo
Stolartz

Picks in 2019
2 Kakko
8 Turcotte
14 Seider
26 Korzack
27 Rees

Thoughts?

Thought? Lost me by #4, as Lundqvist to Calgary is in the fantasy world realm. Quantity of deals makes for an unrealistic read.

Everyone seems to be in a trance over these conditional pick deals. Perhaps it’s a trend, but it’s going overboard.

Also, Nils Lundkvist isn’t going anywhere. I am averse to dealing Kreider, but I can at least see that occurring.

 

[Thirty One]

An option could be take on assets to absorb Lucic now, hold him for two seasons then give up assets to have someone else absorb him. Would cost a lot less then than we would get now. After July 1, 2021, he's only owed $6.5 million on real dollars for the last two seasons.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Thought? Lost me by #4, as Lundqvist to Calgary is in the fantasy world realm. Quantity of deals makes for an unrealistic read.

Everyone seems to be in a trance over these conditional pick deals. Perhaps it’s a trend, but it’s going overboard.

Also, Nils Lundkvist isn’t going anywhere. I am averse to dealing Kreider, but I can at least see that occurring.

That's just Ola's anti-Swede bias. He's been trying to trade Lundkvist since he was he was drafted,

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Only way Lundkvist is traded before he crosses the pond is if Keane becomes a top four out of nowhere this season, and Fox is the real deal.

 

[Good Intentions]

Only way Lundkvist is traded before he crosses the pond is if Keane becomes a top four out of nowhere this season, and Fox is the real deal.

And even then, still no.

 

[Anzi]

I just realized that Lundkvist is not 19 years old yet for another 2 months. Still has so much room to grow.

 

[DanielBrassard]

An option could be take on assets to absorb Lucic now, hold him for two seasons then give up assets to have someone else absorb him. Would cost a lot less then than we would get now. After July 1, 2021, he's only owed $6.5 million on real dollars for the last two seasons.

I'd be for this if they miss out on UFAs

 

[Kaapo Takko]

Kravy-Ziba-Puljujärvi
Lucic-Howden-Kakko
Lemieux-Lias-Buch
Smith-Boo-Vinny L/Virta
Staal-TDA
Skjei-Fox
Hajak-Mayfield
Geo
Stolartz

Picks in 2019
2 Kakko
8 Turcotte
14 Seider
26 Korzack
27 Rees

Thoughts?

That team would contend with Ottawa for the last place. Puljujärvi and Lucic in our top6? Yikes.

 

[NYRKING30]

Hank isn't returning a 1st rounder lol. Why are we handing a top line spot to pool party? Where is Chytil? That Shattenkirk trade to the piles is probably even less likely than Hank returning a 1st.

 

[Ola]

Hank isn't returning a 1st rounder lol. Why are we handing a top line spot to pool party? Where is Chytil? That Shattenkirk trade to the piles is probably even less likely than Hank returning a 1st.

I forgot Chytil.

Nice to have a RHS to the right of Ziba in Poolparty. Either Kravy and Ziba can jump start him in NY or he is Europe borne.

All those deals are pure fantasies, almost.

 

[Michal]

I don't think its an impossible alternative.

We are pretty screwed for a contending POV with Smith, Staal, Girardi and Shatty on the books. Its 2 more years.

#1
Vesey, Fast, Pionk and Nils Lundkvist for Lucic, Puljujärvi and 8th.

#2
Kreider to Arizona for 14th in 2019 and a 3rd in 2020, that becomes a 2nd if Kreider resigns there, that becomes a 1st if Arizona makes the POs in 19/20.

#3
Namestnikov@50% for Cally and Tampas 1st in 2019 (27th)

#4
Hank@50% to Calgary for 26th in 19'

#5
Shatty@50% to NYI for Scott Mayfield

#6
Buy-out Cally immediately, Lucic in 2020 (yes, a significant cost in 21' and 22', but we should have a little room then anyway, and the return is good)

#7
Sign Antony Stolartz

Kravy-Ziba-Puljujärvi
Lucic-Howden-Kakko
Lemieux-Lias-Buch
Smith-Boo-Vinny L/Virta
Staal-TDA
Skjei-Fox
Hajak-Mayfield
Geo
Stolartz

Picks in 2019
2 Kakko
8 Turcotte
14 Seider
26 Korzack
27 Rees

Thoughts?

We still have 50% of Spooner so we can retain max 2 more contracts.
Did you forget 20OA and Chytil?
We have Shesty we don't need Stolarz

 

[Ola]

We still have 50% of Spooner so we can retain max 2 more contracts.
Did you forget 20OA and Chytil?
We have Shesty we don't need Stolarz

Lol that too, so we would have:
2
8
14
20
26
27

And then three 1sts in 2020:
Our 1st that could be really high
Dallas 1st that can be all over the place
And Aris 1st that would be post 16 if we got it.

Would be OK if we walked away with;
Kakko
Turcotte
Seider
York
Korczak
Rees

 

[NYRKING30]

I forgot Chytil.

Nice to have a RHS to the right of Ziba in Poolparty. Either Kravy and Ziba can jump start him in NY or he is Europe borne.

All those deals are pure fantasies, almost.

Yeah I'm all for taking on bad contracts but i think Lucic's 4 year term left would really steer me away from that unless we are handsomely and properly paid for that. Poolparty i'd take a shot on if it doesn't cost us much, I'm just not sure if handing him a top line spot is the way to go about it. He's a kid thats going to have to work and earn what he gets in this league.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I don't think its an impossible alternative.

We are pretty screwed for a contending POV with Smith, Staal, Girardi and Shatty on the books. Its 2 more years.

#1
Vesey, Fast, Pionk and Nils Lundkvist for Lucic, Puljujärvi and 8th.

#2
Kreider to Arizona for 14th in 2019 and a 3rd in 2020, that becomes a 2nd if Kreider resigns there, that becomes a 1st if Arizona makes the POs in 19/20.

#3
Namestnikov@50% for Cally and Tampas 1st in 2019 (27th)

#4
Hank@50% to Calgary for 26th in 19'

#5
Shatty@50% to NYI for Scott Mayfield

#6
Buy-out Cally immediately, Lucic in 2020 (yes, a significant cost in 21' and 22', but we should have a little room then anyway, and the return is good)

#7
Sign Antony Stolartz

Kravy-Ziba-Puljujärvi
Lucic-Howden-Kakko
Lemieux-Lias-Buch
Smith-Boo-Vinny L/Virta
Staal-TDA
Skjei-Fox
Hajak-Mayfield
Geo
Stolartz

Picks in 2019
2 Kakko
8 Turcotte
14 Seider
26 Korzack
27 Rees

Thoughts?

You just went full Bern.

You never go full Bern. Ever.

 

[NYR Viper]

An option could be take on assets to absorb Lucic now, hold him for two seasons then give up assets to have someone else absorb him. Would cost a lot less then than we would get now. After July 1, 2021, he's only owed $6.5 million on real dollars for the last two seasons.

So I was thinking about a deal that may work for both sides earlier this week. I’m on my phone but I had it laid out in principle on the trade board.

Something like:

To EDM:
Brendan Smith @$3m cap hit

To NYR:
Milan Lucic @$3m cap hit + ______

The oilers could buy out Smith, that leaves them with cap space this upcoming season when they need it. The Rangers could play Lucic and then if need be, trade him with half retained for the final year or two should it be needed.

As far as cap hit, the Rangers would essentially be replacing Smith with Lucic in years 1+2. Years 3+4 they would be adding $3m in cap hit.

Edmonton saves considerably in year 1 with the buyout of Smith, year 2 less so, but years 3+4 are minuscule. It’s a much better option than buying out Lucic just due to quantity of years and gives them flexibility in year 1 which is when they are crunched.

Perhaps the Rangers take back someone like Manning as well and his 1 year cap hit.

The question becomes, what does Edmonton add to facilitate it?

 

[kovazub94]

The Rangers are one of a handful of teams that could absorb the full Lucic deal. It'd have to be an extremely nice package of sweeteners on top of that to make it worthwhile though. I don't think Edmonton is going to deal #8 and a top prospect to off-load him. Maybe Puljujarvi and Lucic for a sightly less terrible contract. That seems more plausible. The problem for Edmonton is that the situation seems to be at the point where both parties would gladly welcome a trade, and that tends to impact the locker room in a bad way.

As far as enforcing the agreement that he waived his NMC for expansion, that would be a bitter fight between the league and the NHLPA if he backed out on that after the trade went through. Not sure that would really be a concern. Especially since Lucic would probably welcome being picked up by Seattle since it's long been rumored he wanted to play close to Vancouver.

I think you’re right about the type of deal - nice sweetener and somewhat better bad contract taken back.

I’m not too versed on the expansion point. Could the player waive his NTC for the purpose to not be on protection list?

 

[Ola]

The problem with Lucic is that he haven’t just struggled, he has been so behind the pace that he has more or less been the worst NHLer I’ve seen the last years.

Playing in the East should help him. Teams are less stretched out and it’s a bit easier to cheat a little and get a jump on the puck. Less expectations.

But to me it just seem like something is wrong with him mentally. He had some personal problems, big ones. His father who had moved to Canada from Bosnia committed suicide. Have he had some concussion issues? Something just seems to be odd.

We can almost dream, I do it myself, but at the end of the day I wonder if Lucic really is even close to being a NHL player. Does he have any kind of drive? Platform to stand on? Add being built the wrong way for today’s game, it’s not easy...

 

[bobbop]

There are plenty of bad contracts out there that the Rangers could help teams with (e.g. Horton, Clarkson, Callahan) that do not have the downside of a Lucic deal. I just don’t see any benefit having him around.

Interesting that Vegas owes Clarkson $3.25MM in cash in addition to the traffic jam he is costing on the cap. That would be an easy take for the Rangers. Happy to help.