I’ve not seen much of the Czechs lately, but he started the tournament strong.
Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLIII
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I’ve not seen much of the Czechs lately, but he started the tournament strong.
Irishguy42
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Smith isn't a huge problem for us because he can play every position if needed and is a vet and plays with an edge. The big problems are the 2 softies Shatt and Staal. Staal is either a buyout or be used as a dingle berry 8th Dman. Ultimately it is not that big of a cap hit to buy him out. Shatt is tradeable especially if we pay portion of his contract. If Smith is staying then Claesson who is tradeable is not really needed here.
egelband
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Someone will want Trouba a year earlier too and will want to maximize their chance to re-sign him. I'm not saying it's apples-to-apples. My point is he won't be cut-rate simply because he's a free agent next year. (Which was the suggestion: he'll be UFA in a year, so Wpg won't be able to get anything for him).
I think the same thing about Kreider.
TheBloodyNine
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Have to think that any team trading for Trouba is doing so with a long term contract extension in place.
I would imagine they have approached Staal about the possibility of accepting a trade. It may surprise some of you here but there would be interest. That may be the best route for everyone.
Paulie Walnutz
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Where would you play him? He’s a bottom 6 guy and we’re pretty stacked there unless we trade Vesey, Namestnikov, etc now and not at the deadline. Plus you have to figure the kids are going to rotate in the Quinn bin too and play times in the bottom 6.
haohmaru
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Oh, I agree. Trouba is going to cost, significantly, from now until the trade deadline. Winnipeg would be foolish to pull a CBJ and let the season run its course without moving him for either assets or a player that really wants to play there.
LORDE
I am Lorde, YA YA YA
If CULTURE change is what we are doing then Lindy should be no where near Hartford. Ever.
Bring in someone fresh. No retreads. Play the same system we are and DEVELOP!!!
LORDE
I am Lorde, YA YA YA
Exactly. On a team flush with depth yet starving for top end talent throughout the lineup these lateral moves/signings/trades are spinning tires in mud.
Trade for assets or keep and let expire. We don’t need bottom 6 help we need high end talent and a TOP PAIR
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haohmaru
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Not really a coincidence that two of the worst run franchises in the NHL were on one side of each of these trades.
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
Having the best prospect pool is part of the rebuild, but it isn’t the whole rebuild.
There’s still some time needed for development and sorting out what we actually have, compared to what we think/hope we have.
And while Kreider is probably the last bigger asset to sell, it’s still a sizable asset that could result in either a third round first round pick this season, or part of a trio of first rounders next year.
So we still have anywhere from 3-5 first round picks to make over the next 13 months, and then have to sort through and develop what we have.
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haohmaru
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This upcoming UFA summer will give a good idea where Gorton & Co. think this rebuild is, where it's going, and how long it'll take to get there.
Personally, I'll very surprised if there aren't significant adds *IF* Kreider is dealt at/before the draft. Intriguing. Last summer I had a pretty good idea of what to (not) expect. This summer I really don't.
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
I do believe that moving Kreider will increase the odds of going after Panarin.
I also believe that either way, the 2020 draft is probably the epilogue of what we’ve seen the last couple of years.
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
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I think Gorton will put in a reasonable offer for Panarin. Maybe even Karlsson. But he won’t die on that hill.
And I don’t see any way we pull a Minny and do a package deal. It’ll be one or the other, or none.
And I don’t see any way we pull a Minny and do a package deal. It’ll be one or the other, or none.
NYR Viper
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This would be best for all parties. Gives Staal an opportunity to play on a competitive team
haohmaru
boomshakalaka
Yeah, but you have to think Hughes/Kakko has altered some of the thinking about whatever path they thought they were on. I think they'll be in on Panarin but I'm not all that confident that he comes here.
Probably, but I think any major additions they make this summer will be via trade, not UFA.
haohmaru
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The question is which competitive team has a need for a guy like Staal and actually has a limited role (a la Girardi, who did quite well in TB) for him and his contract - even at 50%. Staal still has the ultimate say-so, but it's not like I wouldn't hope for the best for the guy (just like G). Would be best for both parties if there's a fit somewhere.
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
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Can’t really argue against signing Panarin for any reason other than “direction” at this point. And I’m on the proverbial fence myself with him. It’s extremely tempting to add a guy who will very likely be a 70-90 point player for at least 4-5 years. Our top-6 would be stacked, maybe as soon as next season. He’s also a player I think fits like a glove next to Zibby, I could see those two having ridiculous chemistry.
NYR Viper
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Buffalo I’m sure is on the lookout for a few veterans to help lead. Maybe a team like Ottawa. Dallas at a reasonable cap hit probably. Edmonton has had defensive issues for years.
I am sure none of them would take him at full cap hit
As of right now, I still don't think its the right move.
My mind may change as of July 1st. If they can snag a Zegras or Nylander out of Toronto, then I'm game.
I'd be hell bent on keeping him away from Zibanejad though. They should be on separate lines to create matchup issues for their opponents.
CommaSynapse
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That's totally fine regarding retained salary.
I just hope we leave ourselves with enough veteran leadership. It's not strictly mandatory if you have kids who are ready to be pros, but it helps to have those guys you can default to if someone is over their head or needs a kick.
Too bad someone like Matt Martin is signed to such a rough contract and for the Isles.
Well, I can certainly argue against Panarin in the sense that UFAs are always paid on their history more so than their future. I can also argue that a team who is hopefully loading up on high end young talent should be placing a premium on cap flexibility for the next 5 years to ensure that they can keep all of that young talent. I can also argue that investing huge money in a winger generally isn't a great idea, particularly when the wing looks like a strongish position organizationally. I'm also not convinced he's a great fit for Zib either since they're both right-handed and that works better with a pass-first center and shoot-first winger than vice-versa.
On the flip side of that, I won't deny that he's an elite player and I have far fewer concerns with a 5 year deal than I do a 7 year deal. I think he could be a good mentor for the young winger group, particularly Buch and Kravtsov given the obvious connections. I also think the fact that he has fewer NHL miles on him probably works in his favor for playing out his deal at a high level.
That all being said, I think I'd rather let him go to Florida than get into a major bidding war. I'd offer him a 5 year deal and see if he really wants to play in NY that badly. Now if they can add a top center in the draft, or find one via trade, that might free up an extra year in my offer.
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