Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLII Time for Curtis Lazar?

[Thirty One]

Carter hardly qualifies, since it was really 2 assets, not anything resembling a bunch. I said almost never, because I had thought of Pronger too.

There are plenty of examples of it not resulting in Cups... starting with Gretzky to LA. Sometimes, the big name being acquired is young himself, like Eric Lindros. We also traded 4 quality young/future assets for Nash. Jagr to Washington. Thornton to San Jose. Kovalchuk to NJ.

Maybe it's just a perception in my head more than a statistical reality, but I just don't think it works out the way teams intend very often.

I mean, yeah. When the metric is winning the Stanley Cup or not, there's obviously going to be more misses than hits.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Carter hardly qualifies, since it was really 2 assets, not anything resembling a bunch. I said almost never, because I had thought of Pronger too.

There are plenty of examples of it not resulting in Cups... starting with Gretzky to LA. Sometimes, the big name being acquired is young himself, like Eric Lindros. We also traded 4 quality young/future assets for Nash. Jagr to Washington. Thornton to San Jose. Kovalchuk to NJ.

Maybe it's just a perception in my head more than a statistical reality, but I just don't think it works out the way teams intend very often.

I mean, only 1 out of 31 teams win every year, so you can end pretty much describe EVERY possible move as "teams that [XXX] almost never win Cups."

 

[Tawnos]

I mean, yeah. When the metric is winning the Stanley Cup or not, there's obviously going to be more misses than hits.

I think that reinforces my point more than argues against it.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Hypothetically speaking and salaries aside, would you do Kakko for Eichel straight up?

 

[Thirty One]

Hypothetically speaking and salaries aside, would you do Kakko for Eichel straight up?

Salaries aside, what's the argument for Kakko over Eichel?

 

[nyr2k2]

Hypothetically speaking and salaries aside, would you do Kakko for Eichel straight up?

I mean...is there a reason why you wouldn't do Kakko for Eichel?

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Salaries aside, what's the argument for Kakko over Eichel?

Younger and the potential to exceed Eichel

 

[Thirty One]

Younger and the potential to exceed Eichel

Yeah, I'll take the boat.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

So then how about Kakko, Trouba (for salary purposes), Andersson, Reunanen for Eichel and Mittelstadt?

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Whichever team wins the SC this year will have an asterisk next to its name. Hell, could you imagine if we won? Other fans will try to delegitimize it. It'll be the new "You won the Cup with a bunch of former Oilers."

 

[nyr2k2]

Younger and the potential to exceed Eichel

IDK about the latter part.

 

[rangers1314]

Didn't one of our insiders here say that they had some info on Eichel that would make them never want him on this team?

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Didn't one of our insiders here say that they had some info on Eichel that would make them never want him on this team?

Yes. @bobbop.

He has not offered any hints as to why.

 

[Blue Blooded]

I’d rather see Eichel Bread man and Zbad Krieder than see strome breadman and a slightly above average third line.

They will probably not be able to repeat it, but I hope people understand that Panarin-Strome-Fast was literally the best 5v5 line in the league this season. They were better than Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak and Stamkos-Point-Kucherov both by GF% and xGF%. Getting Eichel to center that line is highly unlikely generate superior results than this season, though it would probably increase the probability of a similar result.

 

[Inferno]

I would drive kakko from Finland to buffalo to make it happen....and I wouldn't even know how to do it... But I'd figure it out.

 

[RGY]

I’d rather see Eichel Bread man and Zbad Krieder than see strome breadman and a slightly above average third line.

Thats what you got from that whole post? Talking about looking at things in a vacuum.

Above average 3rd line? Chytil has at his floor the capability to be an excellent 3rd line producer. What else are we throwing in there? Lets say its DeAngelo, who is our best offensive defenseman at age 24. How about the (2) 1st round picks that I can tell you right now will not be 31st overall when they subtract multiple pieces from their roster for one guy and who they cant replace due to cap constraints because of said one guy’s incoming contract. We are not winning the cup by depleting our depth.

I refuse to be Edmonton that has had McDavid for years now AND Draisaitl and cant put together anything behind them. And thats with them not dealing multiple pieces for one player.

The Rangers have the elite players. Panarin and Zibanejad. Just like most cup teams have. They have usually 2 elite forwards and then they fill in behind with a lot of good forwards with the cap being spread out amongst the group. Depth wins championships. Not 2 line teams.

 

[nyr2k2]

I would drive kakko from Finland to buffalo to make it happen....and I wouldn't even know how to do it... But I'd figure it out.

Seriously. Eichel, at 23, was about to go 40-50-90 after having 82 points last season. The idea that Kakko has "more potential" is pretty wishful thinking, IMO.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Trouba makes more sense in an Eichel deal than ADA does. I'm with @Savant on that.

 

[SA16]

Didn't one of our insiders here say that they had some info on Eichel that would make them never want him on this team?

That’s why we want him. Said the same thing about D’Angelo. Look how that turned out.

 

[Irishguy42]

That’s why we want him. Said the same thing about D’Angelo. Look how that turned out.

Dylan Strome confirmed to NYR for next season

 

[LORDE]

Yes. @bobbop.

He has not offered any hints as to why.

But he has been consistent in his attitude towards him for years.

We’d all love to hear THE reason but one of them I remember hearing from him is that ‘he’s just not a winner’

More than that? I dunno

 

[Kovalev27]

Whichever team wins the SC this year will have an asterisk next to its name. Hell, could you imagine if we won? Other fans will try to delegitimize it. It'll be the new "You won the Cup with a bunch of former Oilers."

I would gladly take it like every other fan base has taken any lockout Cups

 

[Fitzy]

Whichever team wins the SC this year will have an asterisk next to its name. Hell, could you imagine if we won? Other fans will try to delegitimize it. It'll be the new "You won the Cup with a bunch of former Oilers."

Who cares?

The cup is about our enjoyment, not the sentiments of people in other cities.

 

[aufheben]

Hypothetically speaking and salaries aside, would you do Kakko for Eichel straight up?

I would trade like 5 Kakkos for Eichel.

Edit: in terms of value. I don’t think trading for Eichel is necessarily a good idea.

 

[aufheben]

Teams that exist almost never win Cups.

FTFY