Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLII Time for Curtis Lazar?

[NYR Viper]

A GM could easily see a player like Eichel as being the piece that puts his squad into playoff position if he can nab him with the right deal.

While this is true, if Eichel isn't happy in Buffalo, would a team like Ottawa or Detroit really go for him with the risk he could be just as unhappy there? or LA? Also Ottawa is in the division so I doubt that's a legitimate spot.

Like I said, I just don't see THAT many spots that can both accommodate the salary and send the assets they're going to want.

Philly is a good one as a possibility.

 

[Savant]

Trouba does NOT need to be in for cap.

The team has buyouts available, Smith to send the other way as filler, and either ADA or Strome as RFAs who are going to require meaningful contracts this summer that could go back as meaningful parts of the return.

I understand Trouba has become a whipping boy around here (though it blows my mind), but I don't see the team trading him any time soon.

I don’t agree with this.

Trouba isn’t a whipping boy to me, you just have to give to get. For Eichel you do it, not exactly putting it him in the trash can. Eichel has a 10m cap hit. That’s not easy to get to. ADA and Strome are RFA and buying out more people just creates more problems down the road. Also ADA and Strome are not going to have the same appear to Buffalo. Making a cap neutral deal with Trouba as the centerpiece makes the most economic sense. If they can make a deal without, that’s great, but Buffalo isn’t going to be compelled to make a video game trade either.

 

[Savant]

DeAngelo, Chytil, Nils/Miller, 2 1sts.

I dunno how many teams can beat that.

That’s not enough cap going to Buffalo.

 

[Thirty One]

That’s not enough cap going to Buffalo.

All the needed cap space wouldn't necessarily have to go to Buffalo.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

That’s not enough cap going to Buffalo.

there are other ways to clear space.

 

[Lone Ranger]

I can neither confirm nor deny

The funny thing is: I was never a huge Kreider fan. I just picked the name as it was a funny pun on a movie title (Amazing Spiderman). I expect Kreider to be a Ranger for life now haha

Good choice, Amazing Buchnevich man just doesn't have the same ring to it.

 

[aufheben]

Lol some of these offers are like 1/4 of what Eichel should cost.

 

[Savant]

All the needed cap space wouldn't necessarily have to go to Buffalo.

there are other ways to clear space.

Channeling inner bernie to over complicate things?

I mean if it can be done that’s great, but this is a team that could barely move Namestnikov when they had to clear space last year.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Channeling inner bernie to over complicate things?

I mean if it can be done that’s great, but this is a team that could barely move Namestnikov when they had to clear space last year.

but they moved him.

 

[Savant]

but they moved him.

Yeah. That’s a much smaller salary to move. This is a much bigger delta. Are you wanting to attach better capital to move stuff out? When the Rangers have the right assets so they wouldn’t have to? It’s really inefficient. Why create problems down the road?

 

[NYR Viper]

Yeah. That’s a much smaller salary to move. This is a much bigger delta. Are you wanting to attach better capital to move stuff out? When the Rangers have the right assets so they wouldn’t have to? It’s really inefficient. Why create problems down the road?

The cap issues this team has really ends after this season. Hank, Staal, Smith and Shattenkirk's buyout give Gorton quite a bit of cap space. If they can fit it this season, they can find a way to fit it moving forward

 

[Savant]

The cap issues this team has really ends after this season. Hank, Staal, Smith and Shattenkirk's buyout give Gorton quite a bit of cap space. If they can fit it this season, they can find a way to fit it moving forward

Yes and No. I don’t really agree with that; you still need to fill the rest of the team out and the defense is not going to be on ELC forever.

if for argument sake you are adding Eichel to Zibanejad (who will need a big extension himself), Panarin, Kreider and Trouba that’s 35-40% of you cap right there.

 

[Trxjw]

While this is true, if Eichel isn't happy in Buffalo, would a team like Ottawa or Detroit really go for him with the risk he could be just as unhappy there? or LA? Also Ottawa is in the division so I doubt that's a legitimate spot.

Like I said, I just don't see THAT many spots that can both accommodate the salary and send the assets they're going to want.

Philly is a good one as a possibility.

Well I wouldn't put those two teams in that category, but a team like Anaheim is picking top-10 again, has a lot of futures, and has reasonable depth and strength on the roster. There's some money to move around, but they could dump the Backes contract in the trade or maybe even send Fowler their way. Plus they're out west and Buffalo wouldn't have to face Eichel multiple times per year.

I'd throw Minnesota on the list as well. Guerin has almost $20m in cap to play with this summer depending on what he decides to do with Galchenyuk and Koivu. They're a team that should be better than they have been, and they have some good pieces in the pipeline as well as Brodin, who I think Buffalo had been after previously. Of course they also have Kaprizov who Buffalo might be willing to wait another year on should he not be able to work out a jump for the 20-21 season.

Montreal could use Eichel if they can make the money work. Like I said, I don't think they'll let the inner-division thing get in the way of the best deal for the franchise.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

DeAngelo, Chytil, Nils/Miller, 2 1sts.

I dunno how many teams can beat that.

I think that's more than it should take if ADA is involved.

 

[Tawnos]

Teams that package a bunch of quality young/future assets for a single player almost never win Cups.

 

[NYR Viper]

Teams that package a bunch of quality young/future assets for a single player almost never win Cups.

Ryan O'Reilly

 

[Thirty One]

Ryan O'Reilly

He said quality.

 

[Fitzy]

Teams that package a bunch of quality young/future assets for a single player almost never win Cups.

Not sure I see causal inference on this one.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Ryan O'Reilly

Mike Richards.

 

[Thirty One]

Mike Richards.

And Jeff Carter. Double-whammy.

Chris Pronger.

 

[RGY]

Teams that package a bunch of quality young/future assets for a single player almost never win Cups.

This this this.

We are not one player away to be trading multiple high valued assets for 1. It would be a monumental mistake.

Panarin was entirely different before any of that oppositions camp come crawling out of the woodwork. Cost us no prospects.

Chytil is here. Nils/Miller are 1-2 years away. Buch is here. DeAngelo is here. Multiple 1st round picks that will be cheap ELC talent down the line to keep our team has contenders for years by having them play on the 3rd/4th lines just like Tampa has been doing.

Keep building. I’d rather find quality 2nd/3rd liners which would cost significantly less to fill in behind our star players. Cost less in dollars and assets.

i like Eichel a lot but this is not the right time for this type of move. I dont know if it ever would be depending on what the cost ultimately ends up being.

 

[Do you want ants]

This this this.

We are not one player away to be trading multiple high valued assets for 1. It would be a monumental mistake.

Panarin was entirely different before any of that oppositions camp come crawling out of the woodwork. Cost us no prospects.

Chytil is here. Nils/Miller are 1-2 years away. Buch is here. DeAngelo is here. Multiple 1st round picks that will be cheap ELC talent down the line to keep our team has contenders for years by having them play on the 3rd/4th lines just like Tampa has been doing.

Keep building. I’d rather find quality 2nd/3rd liners which would cost significantly less to fill in behind our star players. Cost less in dollars and assets.

i like Eichel a lot but this is not the right time for this type of move. I dont know if it ever would be depending on what the cost ultimately ends up being.

I’d rather see Eichel Bread man and Zbad Krieder than see strome breadman and a slightly above average third line.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

He said quality.

Buffalo is still a basement team because they got literally nothing for ROR haha

 

[KaprizovEntitlelist]

Well I wouldn't put those two teams in that category, but a team like Anaheim is picking top-10 again, has a lot of futures, and has reasonable depth and strength on the roster. There's some money to move around, but they could dump the Backes contract in the trade or maybe even send Fowler their way. Plus they're out west and Buffalo wouldn't have to face Eichel multiple times per year.

I'd throw Minnesota on the list as well. Guerin has almost $20m in cap to play with this summer depending on what he decides to do with Galchenyuk and Koivu. They're a team that should be better than they have been, and they have some good pieces in the pipeline as well as Brodin, who I think Buffalo had been after previously. Of course they also have Kaprizov who Buffalo might be willing to wait another year on should he not be able to work out a jump for the 20-21 season.

Montreal could use Eichel if they can make the money work. Like I said, I don't think they'll let the inner-division thing get in the way of the best deal for the franchise.

If Minnesota try to trade for Eichel , Kaprizov will be off limits. Kaprizov has been completely off limits in any trade talks . Teams have asked about him. Only Dumba, Brodin or picks are available for players like eichel

 

[Tawnos]

And Jeff Carter. Double-whammy.

Chris Pronger.

Carter hardly qualifies, since it was really 2 assets, not anything resembling a bunch. I said almost never, because I had thought of Pronger too.

There are plenty of examples of it not resulting in Cups... starting with Gretzky to LA. Sometimes, the big name being acquired is young himself, like Eric Lindros. We also traded 4 quality young/future assets for Nash. Jagr to Washington. Thornton to San Jose. Kovalchuk to NJ.

Maybe it's just a perception in my head more than a statistical reality, but I just don't think it works out the way teams intend very often.