Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLII Time for Curtis Lazar?

[Synergy27]

Misguided? who said he had to contribute like his Dad? I said, “He needs a little more of his father’s contributions”. His father may have been tougher yet chose not to fight. His father drew penalties all over the ice and drove opponents nuts.

You literally directly said that he needs to contribute more like his dad. That's what I was responding to.

I f***ing hate Claude Lemieux.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Nah, McCarthy was a better player even before. He was always a 10-15 point player--only twice did he not get there, 8 in 33 and 8 in 37. Langdon was like a 1-3 point player, LOL. His best season was a low-end McCarthy seaosn. McCarthy's best years did come here, and he was given a bigger role, but that's because he could handle it. Langdon wasn't given that opportunity because he was generally awful. They were part of the same era.

I liked Langdon but he was never as good as McCarthy, who could do other things.

If McCarthy was that good he should he handle it elsewhere before and after the Rangers. McCarthy got ice time with both Fleury and Lindros at times b/c the team depth was so poor. If the debate is who was half a step above shiat, i’ll give in and agree on McCarthy lol. Rough days when a McCarthy gets awarded top line ice time.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Lemieux this year was 7th leaguewide in penalties drawn.

he was -14, thanks.

 

[nyr2k2]

If McCarthy was that good he should he handle it elsewhere before and after the Rangers. McCarthy got ice time with both Fleury and Lindros at times b/c the team depth was so poor. If the debate is who was half a step above shiat, i’ll give in and agree on McCarthy lol. Rough days when a McCarthy gets awarded top line ice time.

FWIW, McCarthy wasn't "that good" as I see it. He was a better player overall, but not as good at fighting. I think in general swapping McCarthy for Langdon improved the team, but those teams were horseshit anyway so it doesn't really matter.

 

[NYSPORTS]

You literally directly said that he needs to contribute more like his dad. That's what I was responding to.

I f***ing hate Claude Lemieux.

no, you said “But to expect him to contribute offensively the way his dad did is misguided.”. I never requested him to be a goal scorer his father who netted 20’s practically every year and surpassed 30 goals multiple times. I’d like to see him contribute more though. Play well enough to earn more ice time, maybe get more minutes on a 2nd line, etc. Time to step it up IMO.

 

[nyr2k2]

I still think Lemieux chases the play too much because he's focusing on dumb shit trying to draw penalties. The rest of his game isn't good enough for him to be a positive while essentially missing every other shift chasing guys.

 

[Avery16]

If McCarthy was that good he should he handle it elsewhere before and after the Rangers. McCarthy got ice time with both Fleury and Lindros at times b/c the team depth was so poor. If the debate is who was half a step above shiat, i’ll give in and agree on McCarthy lol. Rough days when a McCarthy gets awarded top line ice time.

Yep. I’d like to see Langdon’s numbers playing with Lindros and Fleury.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

he was -14, thanks.

Ovechkin finishing -35 while scoring 50 goals is more than enough reason to abolish plus-minus and never use it again as an indicator to determine whether or not a player is good

 

[UnSandvich]

Misguided? who said he had to contribute like his Dad? I said, “He needs a little more of his father’s contributions”. His father may have been tougher yet chose not to fight. His father drew penalties all over the ice and drove opponents nuts.

he was -14, thanks.

If that's your issue, say it. Don't bring up drawing penalties, and then deflect to something else when it's brought up that Lemieux is one of the best in the league at it.

Also +/- is a terrible stat, and anyone who uses it as a serious argument is an idiot.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Yep. I’d like to see Langdon’s numbers playing with Lindros and Fleury.

agreed.

IMO, Probert and Gillies were better players yet look at who they played with. Probert had ice time with Yzerman and Gillies skated with Trottier and Bossy.

Put a Langdon on with a Lindros and Fleury and i’m betting something positive happens lol.

 

[nyr2k2]

Yep. I’d like to see Langdon’s numbers playing with Lindros and Fleury.

I don't remember him playing with Fleury and Lindros. Fleury and Lindros overlapped one year, and that was the FLY Line with York. He may have taken occasional shifts with those guys, but still, that wasn't the regular deployment.

Anyway, this is like when people say--regarding Tom Wilson--that "I'd like to see X shitty player play with Kuznetsov or Backstrom or Ovechkin." Wilson gets to play with those guys because he has the skills to play with those guys. He's also a f***ing menace and opens up ice allowing those guys to be better. You can't just stick any behemoth on the wing of those guys and expect them to produce the same as Wilson.

 

[NYSPORTS]

If that's your issue, say it. Don't bring up drawing penalties, and then deflect to something else when it's brought up that Lemieux is one of the best in the league at it.

Also +/- is a terrible stat, and anyone who uses it as a serious argument is an idiot.

an idiot is one who can’t comprehend a post and is too lazy to read a thread yet chimes in. Not that you historically have demonstrated that on a daily basis.

 

[Avery16]

agreed.

IMO, Probert and Gillies were better players yet look at who they played with. Probert had ice time with Yzerman and Gillies skated with Trottier and Bossy.

Put a Langdon on with a Lindros and Fleury and i’m betting something positive happens lol.

McSorley was a .5 points/gp player…. on Gretzky teams only

 

[Thirty One]

I don't recall McCarthy playing with Lindros. I remember Lindros with Toms and McKenna, York and Fleury and then Rucinsky and Bure.

 

[Avery16]

I don't remember him playing with Fleury and Lindros. Fleury and Lindros overlapped one year, and that was the FLY Line with York. He may have taken occasional shifts with those guys, but still, that wasn't the regular deployment.

Anyway, this is like when people say--regarding Tom Wilson--that "I'd like to see X shitty player play with Kuznetsov or Backstrom or Ovechkin." Wilson gets to play with those guys because he has the skills to play with those guys. He's also a f***ing menace and opens up ice allowing those guys to be better. You can't just stick any behemoth on the wing of those guy and expect them to produce the same as Wilson.

McCarthy did spend significant time on Lindros's wing. I remember because it was so ridiculous.

 

[Avery16]

a quick review of google reveals that McCarthy not only had stretches with Lindros, but also with Nedved, Fleury, and Messier.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Ovechkin finishing -35 while scoring 50 goals is more than enough reason to abolish plus-minus and never use it again as an indicator to determine whether or not a player is good

I posted about Lemiuex and his contributions. Pretty clear. I shouldn’t have responded to those who don’t read and certainly those few who love to sit around a further mess up an easy message.

i’m not here to clarify easy messaging and then continually re-clarify messages which somehow get derailed.

 

[nyr2k2]

McCarthy did spend significant time on Lindros's wing. I remember because it was so ridiculous.

If that was the case, it was for one season and didn't include Fleury. And there were plenty of other guys that spent time on Lindros' wing that year, including Barnaby and Bure.

a quick review of google reveals that McCarthy not only had stretches with Lindros, but also with Nedved, Fleury, and Messier.

Those teams were a mess. Other than the FLY Line and the Czech Mates, they never really had set, productive lines. I'm sure there were 500 line combinations each season.

Anyway, I don't know what the point of this is. McCarthy was a better player than Darren Langdon well before he came to NY. Did he pick up 5-10 extra points playing higher in the lineup than he should have otherwise? Probably? But again he was a 10-15 point guy who became a 15-20 point guy. Darren Langdon was completely devoid of offensive ability.

Also--why have Probert and Gillies been brought up? I'm talking about McCarthy being a guy who could take a regular shift and Langdon being nothing more than a fourth line goon, and people are bringing up Bob Probert and Clark Gillies (who while both being tough as shit, didn't even play the same game)?

 

[aufheben]

What is this thread lol

 

[NYSPORTS]

McCarthy did spend significant time on Lindros's wing. I remember because it was so ridiculous.

lol, quite a season. That’s what years of trading all your prospects and poor drafting got them.

 

[NYSPORTS]

What is this thread lol

we’re going to switch gears to Nicky Fotiu soon lol

 

[True Blue]

Shattenkirk (45.m) Staal (5.7m) and Smith (4.3m) come off the books in 2021. It's a challenge every year but I am sure they will be okay.

In future years, the remaining buy outs for Girardi and Shattenkirk come off the books as well.

Sure, people will come off. But then you get into players like Fox who will be coming off ECLs and needing a new contract. Players like DeAngelo who need new contracts. I get that the salaries coming off will create space, but when you look at the roster, there will be others that need to be signed and resigned. ZBad's contract is going to be north of $10 by itself. And I have not even mentioned Trouba.

 

[Avery16]

If that was the case, it was for one season and didn't include Fleury. And there were plenty of other guys that spent time on Lindros' wing that year, including Barnaby and Bure.

Heres a game when it was McCarthy subbing FOR Lindros with Fleury and York:

HOCKEY; McCarthy the Sniper Saves the Rangers

 

[Avery16]

What is this thread lol

Ran out of present content, so were working our way backwards

 

[nyr2k2]

I posted about Lemiuex and his contributions. Pretty clear. I shouldn’t have responded to those who don’t read and certainly those few who love to sit around a further mess up an easy message.

i’m not here to clarify easy messaging and then continually re-clarify messages which somehow get derailed.

When you have to clarify your message in every thread, it should become pretty apparent that the problem isn't the people you're talking to, it's that your messaging sucks.