Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLII Time for Curtis Lazar?

[True Blue]

The Rangers can afford Eichel. Yes they need to get creative but it's possible

How? Look at what Panarin makes. Look at what ZBad is going to make in a few years. Look at what Eichel makes. Throw in Kreider's salary. How can they possibly afford him?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

How? Look at what Panarin makes. Look at what ZBad is going to make in a few years. Look at what Eichel makes. Throw in Kreider's salary. How can they possibly afford him?

The only way I can see them making this work is if they offload Lundqvist's 8.5m cap hit

 

[NYSPORTS]

You wouldn't have been at ease if your daughter showed up with this guy for Sunday dinner?

Welcome home Son!!!!! lol

Holy (blank) - what drugs are we on tonight?

 

[Avery16]

The only way I can see them making this work is if they offload Lundqvist's 8.5m cap hit

…or Trouba's

 

[Avery16]

The off-sides thing was one of the most maddening traits in one of our players in recent memory. It was amazing. He'd clearly glance at the line, glance back at the play, take another look to get himself paced, and then still end up ten feet off. It was truly infuriating.

Kreider was off-sides a lot too, early on. Some players are just better at it than others.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Purinton was a dangerous fighter, but Langdon was so effective and so smart. watch this clip of him and Twist:

No one, No One, could hang with twist like this back then.
Now watch this long fight with Brashear in Brashear's prime:

Again, another good showing against a player with a much better reputation. Langdon may have been one of the most underrated enforcers ever.
Brashear was trash by the time we got him. I cant count on one hand the fights he won decisively in a Rangers jersey.

Langdon was in amazing shape. He wouldn’t fade during those long bouts.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

…or Trouba's

Assuming he waives his NMC or the NHL extends the date his NMC kicks in

 

[Avery16]

Langdon was in amazing shape. He wouldn’t fade during those long bouts.

Its not often that you see, and really fun to watch the moment when someone like Brashear or Twist first thinks "uh-oh".

 

[Avery16]

Assuming he waives his NMC or the NHL extends the date his NMC kicks in

right. I forgot.

 

[NYSPORTS]

I would love the Rangers to develop a couple guys like Barnaby. Could do it all..

love the do it all types. ADA is kinda in that mold. He isn’t the instigator like Barnaby but he can throw pretty well. Lemiuex needs a little more of his father’s contributions. Lindgren will drop the gloves.

but hey, my fav player ever is Rick Tocchet and will forever wish we could find a do it all like him. (although Graves was toned down version of him).

 

[NYSPORTS]

Never liked McCarthy. Langdon was a much better fighter. That trade made me mad.

didn’t like it either. Home grown for a journeyman for the same role. Nah

not mentioned (and the Rangers had to make the trade) but i did like Troy Mallette a lot.

 

[nyr2k2]

didn’t like it either. Home grown for a journeyman for the same role. Nah

not mentioned (and the Rangers had to make the trade) but i did like Troy Mallette a lot.

Wasn't really the same role, though. I mean McCarthy was obviously an enforcer like Langdon, but Langdon sucked otherwise. Darren Langdon had 39 points in over 500 games; McCarthy had 59 points in three years with us. He was an enforcer that could play, more like Brashear in his prime (maybe not as good at scrapping, but better at playing).

 

[NYSPORTS]

Wasn't really the same role, though. I mean McCarthy was obviously an enforcer like Langdon, but Langdon sucked otherwise. Darren Langdon had 39 points in over 500 games; McCarthy had 59 points in three years with us. He was an enforcer that could play, more like Brashear in his prime (maybe not as good at scrapping, but better at playing).

the Rangers during the McCarthy era were so bad he got ice time. Com’on, their roles were the same. McCarthy’s high points contributions came only with the Rangers. Otherwise his role was the same as Langdon. Go fight. Brashear got some points but he wasn’t a real contributor. Heck, Nicky Fotiu put up some points too but, com’on.

guys like Probert and Gillies could actually play

 

[True Blue]

The only way I can see them making this work is if they offload Lundqvist's 8.5m cap hit

But even that is short term. What happens when ZBad comes up for a new deal?

 

[True Blue]

I will never forget when he knocked out Todd Fedoruk. That was really scary.

And an exorcism of several decades of Broadstreet torment

 

[nyr2k2]

the Rangers during the McCarthy era were so bad he got ice time. Com’on, their roles were the same. McCarthy’s high points contributions came only with the Rangers. Otherwise his role was the same as Langdon. Go fight

Nah, McCarthy was a better player even before. He was always a 10-15 point player--only twice did he not get there, 8 in 33 and 8 in 37. Langdon was like a 1-3 point player, LOL. His best season was a low-end McCarthy seaosn. McCarthy's best years did come here, and he was given a bigger role, but that's because he could handle it. Langdon wasn't given that opportunity because he was generally awful. They were part of the same era.

I liked Langdon but he was never as good as McCarthy, who could do other things.

 

[True Blue]

I loved Barnaby. He was a true team player. If you wanted him to play on the fourth line and do nothing but fight, he'd do it. If you wanted to put him on the second line in a pinch he'd do it, and show some skill in the process.

Loved him as well. The whole Lyle Odelien thing was one of the funniest moments that I have seen in hockey.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

But even that is short term. What happens when ZBad comes up for a new deal?

Shattenkirk (4.5m) Staal (5.7m) and Smith (4.3m) come off the books in 2021. It's a challenge every year but I am sure they will be okay.

In future years, the remaining buy outs for Girardi and Shattenkirk come off the books as well.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Eichel and an all-star team fit under the video game cap long term. The numbers don’t work unless you want to strip this Rangers team of depth.

 

[Synergy27]

love the do it all types. ADA is kinda in that mold. He isn’t the instigator like Barnaby but he can throw pretty well. Lemiuex needs a little more of his father’s contributions. Lindgren will drop the gloves.

but hey, my fav player ever is Rick Tocchet and will forever wish we could find a do it all like him. (although Graves was toned down version of him).

Brendan is tougher than his dad, no doubt. But to expect him to contribute offensively the way his dad did is misguided. Claude Lemiuex was a grade A douchebag, but underneath it all he was also a near HOF level talent. Easy to lose sight of how good he was because of how much of an asshole he was.

 

[Thirty One]

Nah, McCarthy was a better player even before. He was always a 10-15 point player--only twice did he not get there, 8 in 33 and 8 in 37. Langdon was like a 1-3 point player, LOL. His best season was a low-end McCarthy seaosn. McCarthy's best years did come here, and he was given a bigger role, but that's because he could handle it. Langdon wasn't given that opportunity because he was generally awful. They were part of the same era.

I liked Langdon but he was never as good as McCarthy, who could do other things.

I remember a poll on the old newyorkrangers.com on the 2001-02 Rangers MVP. It was basically a 3-way split between Lindros, Richter and McCarthy. He was very popular for a short period of time.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Brendan is tougher than his dad, no doubt. But to expect him to contribute offensively the way his dad did is misguided. Claude Lemiuex was a grade A douchebag, but underneath it all he was also a near HOF level talent. Easy to lose sight of how good he was because of how much of an asshole he was.

Misguided? who said he had to contribute like his Dad? I said, “He needs a little more of his father’s contributions”. His father may have been tougher yet chose not to fight. His father drew penalties all over the ice and drove opponents nuts.

 

[UnSandvich]

Misguided? who said he had to contribute like his Dad? I said, “He needs a little more of his father’s contributions”. His father may have been tougher yet chose not to fight. His father drew penalties all over the ice and drove opponents nuts.

Lemieux this year was 7th leaguewide in penalties drawn.

 

[Avery16]

I remember a poll on the old newyorkrangers.com on the 2001-02 Rangers MVP. It was basically a 3-way split between Lindros, Richter and McCarthy. He was very popular for a short period of time.

There are a lot of dumb sportsfans out there.

 

[Synergy27]

Eichel and all-star team fit under the video game cap long term. The numbers don’t work unless you want to strip the team of depth.

I agree. I'm not a cap numbers crunching kind of guy, so I not going to dispute that fitting Eichel "could" work. That said, I think it is painfully obvious that depth wins in the playoffs. Yes, you need top end skill of course, but depth is what carries you through 4 rounds of grueling playoff hockey.

The trick is to get, and pay, the right mix of top end talent and depth. If each team has two(ish) superstars, you need hope your superstars outperform the other team's and that you were smarter in constructing your depth (or luckier wrt injury). That's why the Penguins were so hard to beat, hard to outperform Crosby and Malkin if they're the two best forwards in the league.

Obviously depth alone, i.e., committee approach likely won't work either. Rangers had that team and took it as far as it could go.