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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLI

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Slow day today, so I'll fall on the sword and make some noise

Would recommend this twitter thread about the team's play this year.



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Very bold strategy by the team to build a contender by relying on Shestyorkin being a superstar, while tossing away the previous strategy of relying on Henrik being a superstar. You know what they say, old habits die hard
 
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bl02 said:
How crazy will It be that the tournament of the crown (corona) is where Hank will finally get his cup.
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. . . surrounded by his Hartford Wolfpack teammates as the organizational depth prevailed over the rest which contracted Covid.
 
Oscar Lindberg said:
Slow day today, so I'll fall on the sword and make some noise

Would recommend this twitter thread about the team's play this year.



The overall message of said thread



Very bold strategy by the team to build a contender by relying on Shestyorkin being a superstar, while tossing away the previous strategy of relying on Henrik being a superstar. You know what they say, old habits die hard
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Since Jagr and Nylander, which played here during Hank’s very infant years, Hank never had a roster that had BOTH a dominant winger and center. Most teams did not have either. So I dont think the results will be the same even if the strategy is similar. I also think they have done a good job building the defense and stockpiling prospects at the position. They are setting themselves up for success.

I do agree that once Staal’s time has come to an end and an improvement to the forwards play in the defensive zone happens, this team will really be a force.
 
It’s true that it’s not just a matter of shoring up the personnel on defense but the overall team commitment to their own end. The forwards are mostly very bad in their own end. Part of that is because many of them are so young, but it also goes to show how huge a veteran stalwart defensive forward would be for the third and fourth lines. A bottom six of: Chytil, Kakko, Gauthier, Lemieux, DiGiuseppe, Howden is insanely green. The on ice impact and mentorship/leadership of a vet for each line would be huge. Doesn’t have to be an “impact” player, but a guy who KNOWS how to protect his own end and just make the smart plays.
 
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Oscar Lindberg said:
Slow day today, so I'll fall on the sword and make some noise

Would recommend this twitter thread about the team's play this year.



The overall message of said thread



Very bold strategy by the team to build a contender by relying on Shestyorkin being a superstar, while tossing away the previous strategy of relying on Henrik being a superstar. You know what they say, old habits die hard
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I don't know how that is your takeaway?

Their offense is legit AF which wasn't really ever the case for the Henrik years. If we get Henrik type performance from Shestyorkin, this group will win multiple cups, book it.
 
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If the Rangers could pull off an Andersson for Puljujaarvi trade, that would lean me towards trading Buchneveich this off-season. Either way I don't foresee him being in the long-term plans with Kaako, Kravtsov and Gauthier all RWer's. Adding Puljujaarvi would be another RWer.

Retain Strome for this season to be Panarin's center.

Panarin-Strome-Kaako
Kreider-Zibanejad-Gauthier
Lemieux-Chytil-Puljujaarvi
Digiuseppe-Howden-______
 
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Pulju did a lot better overseas this year than I expected. I really had him firmly labeled as a bust and still am pretty skeptical, but I’m actually leaning towards a change of scenery and opportunity and he can grab a top six spot and run with it. He really had a great year. Edmonton has been a mess with developing prospects. I think he’d do well elsewhere. Far higher ceiling than Lias.

Granted I’d NEVER add a 1st. But I get why Pulju has more value right now.
 
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Oscar Lindberg said:
Slow day today, so I'll fall on the sword and make some noise

Would recommend this twitter thread about the team's play this year.



The overall message of said thread



Very bold strategy by the team to build a contender by relying on Shestyorkin being a superstar, while tossing away the previous strategy of relying on Henrik being a superstar. You know what they say, old habits die hard
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Who was the Rangers best offensive player during Lundqvist’s superstar days/cup contending?
It wasn’t Panarin or Zibanejad
 
Irishguy42 said:
A) How many will be ready to play in the NHL in the 3-4 years Dillon would be here?
B) How many won't be busts/will be better than Dillon when 'A' happens?

If the vast majority of them aren't ready by the time Year 3 of Dillon's contract rolls around, then this isn't an issue.

Obviously I'd like to keep the term short, but the difference between 3 or 4 years for Dillon doesn't really matter to me as much as the cap-hit does (which changes with the term, yes I know).
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I don't think it's unreasonable to think that some of them are likely to be as good as 32 year old Dillon by season 3 of that contract. The player Dillon is today isn't who I'm comparing them to. And you only need 1 of them to be ready by year 3 of Dillon's contract, not the vast majority.

True Blue said:
I am thinking of a couple of years until someone proves that they can take the top spot next to Trouba.
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A two year deal would be fine.

Honestly though, I'd like to see this team make the playoffs and identify any deficiencies at that point before adding any non-elite players.
 
GoAwayStaal said:
I don't know how that is your takeaway?

Their offense is legit AF which wasn't really ever the case for the Henrik years. If we get Henrik type performance from Shestyorkin, this group will win multiple cups, book it.
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Well what if the offense is legit AF because the team ignores team defense? Remember the Isles under Weight? They were one of the highest scoring teams in the league, but gave up the most goals. Then Trotz came in and they had the best GAA but the offense really suffered. Difference is our Goalies are actually good and not a product of a Trotz trapping. But if they start playing more responsible defensive hockey you can expect to see some of those numbers go down.
 
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GoAwayStaal said:
I don't know how that is your takeaway?

Their offense is legit AF which wasn't really ever the case for the Henrik years. If we get Henrik type performance from Shestyorkin, this group will win multiple cups, book it.
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The offense was legit from 2013-2017 for the most part. Didn't have a Panarin but the depth throughout the lineup. Our defense killed us, we had 2 anchors playing top pairing and 2nd pairing minutes.
 
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KirkAlbuquerque said:
Well what if the offense is legit AF because the team ignores team defense? Remember the Isles under Weight? They were one of the highest scoring teams in the league, but gave up the most goals. Then Trotz came in and they had the best GAA but the offense really suffered. Difference is our Goalies are actually good and not a product of a Trotz trapping. But if they start playing more responsible defensive hockey you can expect to see some of those numbers go down.
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You mentioned it but that's good strategy for a team with an elite goalie. An elite goalie shouldn't have a vastly better sv% or GAA than an average goalie because he should face more shots and more high quality shots since you should be trying to trade chances to maximize the difference in the two goalies skill levels.
 
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KirkAlbuquerque said:
Well what if the offense is legit AF because the team ignores team defense? Remember the Isles under Weight? They were one of the highest scoring teams in the league, but gave up the most goals. Then Trotz came in and they had the best GAA but the offense really suffered. Difference is our Goalies are actually good and not a product of a Trotz trapping. But if they start playing more responsible defensive hockey you can expect to see some of those numbers go down.
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I don't think they'd see a HUGE drop in offensive numbers like the Isles did for several reasons.

1. I don't see them making changes going from one extreme to the other like the Isles did.
2. They have much more talent (Isles are not a talented team and they lost their best player to UFA before Trotz coached a game for them.)
3. The PP is f***ing dope.

They need to improve how they defend in the NZ but even that started to get better as the season progressed. Whether or not they actually collectively get there under this staff is a whole other conversation (to this point, Quinn has done nothing to lose his job but that time is coming sooner rather than later IMO.)
 
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DanielBrassard said:
The offense was legit from 2013-2017 for the most part. Didn't have a Panarin but the depth throughout the lineup. Our defense killed us, we had 2 anchors playing top pairing and 2nd pairing minutes.
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Those teams didn't have a Zibanejad either.

TBH they didn't have a Fox or DeAngelo unless you want to include a massively misused Yandle.

They also didn't have this team's PP.

Strictly from an offensive perspective, this team is primed to be way more potent than that group was, especially at the top end.
 
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GoAwayStaal said:
Those teams didn't have a Zibanejad either.

TBH they didn't have a Fox or DeAngelo unless you want to include a massively misused Yandle.

They also didn't have this team's PP.

Strictly from an offensive perspective, this team is primed to be way more potent than that group was, especially at the top end.
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I agree with that and you are right the PP is a big difference, the PP sucked under AV. I was just saying that we did have a potent offensive team during those years. Having ADA and Fox might be the biggest difference overall, they are elite with the puck and we didn't have that previously.
 
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Oscar Lindberg said:
Slow day today, so I'll fall on the sword and make some noise

Would recommend this twitter thread about the team's play this year.



The overall message of said thread



Very bold strategy by the team to build a contender by relying on Shestyorkin being a superstar, while tossing away the previous strategy of relying on Henrik being a superstar. You know what they say, old habits die hard
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Trouba was a seriously brutal investment. Overpaying for a defenseman who’s impact is very subpar;; old habits definitely die hard.
 

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