Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLI

[SA16]

He's fine on the 3rd pair.

*In Hartford

 

[Avery16]

https://nypost.com/2020/05/19/rangers-explaining-rick-nashs-historic-2014-cup-playoff-woes/

 

[TheDirtyH]

Getting in late but any conversation about Shattenkirk on NYR should begin and end with how many minutes he played on a pairing with McDonagh. Talk about a waste.

 

[ETTER DE]

This seems...dumb?

Seems more like an issue from the coaching staff if anything.

Off course. It is kind of tongue in cheek or what you call it. Should have used quotation marks. But the issue is that Trouba was not always put in a position to succeed.

 

[RangersFan1994]

*In Hartford

agreed or even in the ECHL

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

agreed or even in the ECHL

or in a Staal family backyard pickup game.

 

[Lone Ranger]

or in a Staal family backyard pickup game.

He can't do that; his big brother may try to kill him again.

 

[Avery16]

Off course. It is kind of tongue in cheek or what you call it. Should have used quotation marks. But the issue is that Trouba was not always put in a position to succeed.

I think for 8m you’re supposed to create the position to succeed, not just for yourself but for those on the ice with you.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I think for 8m you’re supposed to create the position to succeed, not just for yourself but for those on the ice with you.

Trouba was worth the 8m a year. Trouba was the only one available who could fill that role. Could he be better? Sure. Was he bad enough to be in the discussion for a buy out? no. And yeah, I've seen it being discussed.

I think that without Trouba, Fox and DeAngelo don't have the seasons they just put up, simply because of the sheltered role they were allowed to play.

That said, Trouba was paid less than Letang based on the cap and I take Trouba over Letang any day. Trouba can improve and probably will, now that his buddy Skjei is no longer holding him back. He will be fine.

 

[Anthony5967]

Trouba was worth the 8m a year. Trouba was the only one available who could fill that role. Could he be better? Sure. Was he bad enough to be in the discussion for a buy out? no. And yeah, I've seen it being discussed.

I think that without Trouba, Fox and DeAngelo don't have the seasons they just put up, simply because of the sheltered role they were allowed to play.

That said, Trouba was paid less than Letang based on the cap and I take Trouba over Letang any day. Trouba can improve and probably will, now that his buddy Skjei is no longer holding him back. He will be fine.

I never like to be that guy but I couldn't agree more. Skjei was so bad this year that I often wondered what he was even thinking when he was out there patrolling around. The lack of hockey IQ was so apparent. Indecisive puck-mover, horrendous in his own zone, softer than a pack of ultra-Charmin when it came to physical engagement, etc. The fact that Gorton pulled a first from someone was utterly amazing. Shedding that contract will do wonders for them going forward. Man, whenever the Rangers were pulling the puck out of their net these two guys were out there for the goal. I want DeAngelo on the left side of Trouba.

 

[ETTER DE]

I think for 8m you’re supposed to create the position to succeed, not just for yourself but for those on the ice with you.

8 millions or not, you need help. He cant be expected to do all the though work, while Fox and DeAngelo are figure skating out there.

 

[Anthony5967]

Also, nutjob Holland can take a walk with the 1st and Andersson for Puljujarvi. If he wants that, throw me Samorukov, as well, and then we can draw up the papers.

 

[howztheglass]

Going to throw something out there about Trouba--Kind of get the feeling of when the Rangers traded for Barry Beck ( Don't get me wrong Barry was more of a name and highly rated player ).

When Barry first came to the Rangers he struggled with not playing up his his capabilities ( he even admitted it in some interviews ). The pressure of NY is bigger then most of us think.

Both were traded for from organizations whom thought highly of each player. Both were/are tough physical players with big shots from the point can PK and PP all around players that organizations look to build around --now the Beck trade the Rangers traded away more roster players then Trouba but you can see the similarities.

Year 2-3 Beck became a force and 1-D that all organizations want--Trouba might not be there yet but you can see after some time to adjust his play is picking up. Multiple factors can go into why Trouba struggled--NY jitters, defensive partners being removed from the first PP unit ( this is from the Fox effect ) but I think next year we will see a much more physical and dominant player.

Trouba is not Beck and who knows which way the COVID thing will go but as someone said before if player salaries continue to go through the roof maybe Trouba salary and cap hit won't be as bad as some think now. Everyone would love for the Rangers to have found that 1-D but the Rangers have Trouba and Fox starting this year which is a major step forward from where we were years past.

 

[Raspewtin]

Going to throw something out there about Trouba--Kind of get the feeling of when the Rangers traded for Barry Beck ( Don't get me wrong Barry was more of a name and highly rated player ).

When Barry first came to the Rangers he struggled with not playing up his his capabilities ( he even admitted it in some interviews ). The pressure of NY is bigger then most of us think.

Both were traded for from organizations whom thought highly of each player. Both were/are tough physical players with big shots from the point can PK and PP all around players that organizations look to build around --now the Beck trade the Rangers traded away more roster players then Trouba but you can see the similarities.

Year 2-3 Beck became a force and 1-D that all organizations want--Trouba might not be there yet but you can see after some time to adjust his play is picking up. Multiple factors can go into why Trouba struggled--NY jitters, defensive partners being removed from the first PP unit ( this is from the Fox effect ) but I think next year we will see a much more physical and dominant player.

Trouba is not Beck and who knows which way the COVID thing will go but as someone said before if player salaries continue to go through the roof maybe Trouba salary and cap hit won't be as bad as some think now. Everyone would love for the Rangers to have found that 1-D but the Rangers have Trouba and Fox starting this year which is a major step forward from where we were years past.

im not saying you're wrong or doubting any of what you're saying but Beck's first year as a Ranger he had 59 pts in 61 gp which is by far the highest rate he's ever had lol. Even if he was a turnstile on defense......I can't imagine how that was "struggling"

 

[NYR Viper]

I keep coming back to the fact that adding a player like Krug to the top-pairing with Trouba would make this d-core probably the best in the league for the next 3-4 years.

Krug-Trouba
Lindgren-Fox
Hajek/Rykov/Miller-ADA

Oh what it would be like to not have to worry about the buyouts, Hank, Staal and Smith. If not for those, it would actually be not so far-fetched of a signing if he would accept 4-5 years.

 

[Anthony5967]

I keep coming back to the fact that adding a player like Krug to the top-pairing with Trouba would make this d-core probably the best in the league for the next 3-4 years.

Krug-Trouba
Lindgren-Fox
Hajek/Rykov/Miller-ADA

Oh what it would be like to not have to worry about the buyouts, Hank, Staal and Smith. If not for those, it would actually be not so far-fetched of a signing if he would accept 4-5 years.

Where is Nils?

 

[SA16]

Krug is a good player and a bit fit. We already have 3 dmen all capable of playing on the PP for different reasons - two of which are really good at running the point and the third which has a big shot. Additionally with the players on this team and the way the PP is structured the team is better off with a RHD on the point than a LHD.

We would be better looking for a defense only type player to play on the top pairing than an offensive guy like Krug as he will come cheaper and won't eat into production of others. Specifically this is a player like Brenden Dillon or TJ Brodie who is available this offseason.

 

[Tawnos]

Going to throw something out there about Trouba--Kind of get the feeling of when the Rangers traded for Barry Beck ( Don't get me wrong Barry was more of a name and highly rated player ).

When Barry first came to the Rangers he struggled with not playing up his his capabilities ( he even admitted it in some interviews ). The pressure of NY is bigger then most of us think.

Both were traded for from organizations whom thought highly of each player. Both were/are tough physical players with big shots from the point can PK and PP all around players that organizations look to build around --now the Beck trade the Rangers traded away more roster players then Trouba but you can see the similarities.

Year 2-3 Beck became a force and 1-D that all organizations want--Trouba might not be there yet but you can see after some time to adjust his play is picking up. Multiple factors can go into why Trouba struggled--NY jitters, defensive partners being removed from the first PP unit ( this is from the Fox effect ) but I think next year we will see a much more physical and dominant player.

Trouba is not Beck and who knows which way the COVID thing will go but as someone said before if player salaries continue to go through the roof maybe Trouba salary and cap hit won't be as bad as some think now. Everyone would love for the Rangers to have found that 1-D but the Rangers have Trouba and Fox starting this year which is a major step forward from where we were years past.

It's hard to know what exactly happened with Beck. After 1981, you can chalk up his game to injury problems. As mentioned, his first season was very productive. Hard to know what happened in 80-81, though was was named captain.

 

[True Blue]

We would be better looking for a defense only type player to play on the top pairing than an offensive guy like Krug as he will come cheaper and won't eat into production of others. Specifically this is a player like Brenden Dillon or TJ Brodie who is available this offseason.

Dillon is a player who I would love for them to look add and certainly fits what the Rangers need.

 

[Thirty One]

Dillon is a player who I would love for them to look add and certainly fits what the Rangers need.

I wonder if it might be difficult to attract UFA defensemen this summer with them knowing that they'll either have to accept a 1-year deal or likely face exposure in the expansion draft.

 

[Tawnos]

Dillon is a player who I would love for them to look add and certainly fits what the Rangers need.

Eh... they need to be careful about that. It really depends on term. I'm not signing a 29 year old (30 in November) defenseman to anything more than a 3 year deal, and I think he'll probably get a 4 year deal from someone. For two reasons. 1.) the Brendan we already have. 2.) We have a lot of defenseman coming up through the organization right now. In 3 or 4 years, having Dillon might not even be necessary.

 

[bl02]

How crazy will It be that the tournament of the crown (corona) is where Hank will finally get his cup.

 

[Irishguy42]

2.) We have a lot of defenseman coming up through the organization right now. In 3 or 4 years, having Dillon might not even be necessary.

A) How many will be ready to play in the NHL in the 3-4 years Dillon would be here?
B) How many won't be busts/will be better than Dillon when 'A' happens?

If the vast majority of them aren't ready by the time Year 3 of Dillon's contract rolls around, then this isn't an issue.

Obviously I'd like to keep the term short, but the difference between 3 or 4 years for Dillon doesn't really matter to me as much as the cap-hit does (which changes with the term, yes I know).

 

[Savant]

Trouba was worth the 8m a year. Trouba was the only one available who could fill that role. Could he be better? Sure. Was he bad enough to be in the discussion for a buy out? no. And yeah, I've seen it being discussed.

I think that without Trouba, Fox and DeAngelo don't have the seasons they just put up, simply because of the sheltered role they were allowed to play.

That said, Trouba was paid less than Letang based on the cap and I take Trouba over Letang any day. Trouba can improve and probably will, now that his buddy Skjei is no longer holding him back. He will be fine.

I thought Trouba turned a corner after Skjei was dealt. Especially that game against the Isles.
Trouba still has upside and had lousy partners most of the year. Not saying the Rangers had a Morrissey to put him with but yeah. I still think you try to get a 1LHD with some of the future assets (I’m still banging the drum for Lindholm here) and that really unlocks Trouba. Krug is going to be great but he is going to cost A LOT. A 1LHD is the only piece the Rangers don’t have internally.

he will be the new scapegoat because of his contract either way but I’m not worried yet

 

[True Blue]

Eh... they need to be careful about that. It really depends on term. I'm not signing a 29 year old (30 in November) defenseman to anything more than a 3 year deal, and I think he'll probably get a 4 year deal from someone. For two reasons. 1.) the Brendan we already have. 2.) We have a lot of defenseman coming up through the organization right now. In 3 or 4 years, having Dillon might not even be necessary.

I am thinking of a couple of years until someone proves that they can take the top spot next to Trouba.