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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLI

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FultonReed said:
it absolutely was a shot at NYI lol idiots could have had a franchise goalie in Robbie Lu, but opted to sell his ass to Florida, with Olli Jokinen. for Oleg Kvasha and Mark Parrish :laugh:

Milbury absolutely buried that team. it's hilarious and sad at the same time.
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And yet he still has a job in hockey - I cringe every time I hear him talk about the Rangers.
 
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NYRangers16 said:
Trouba has been better than Lindgren? What hockey were you watching this year?
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To me, it comes down to this:

Lindgren looked good in a supporting role, but make no mistake, that pairing was carried by Fox, and carried hard
Trouba looked meh in a carrying role, but part of that is definitely due to Skjei's regression
 
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UnSandvich said:
To me, it comes down to this:

Lindgren looked good in a supporting role, but make no mistake, that pairing was carried by Fox, and carried hard
Trouba looked meh in a carrying role, but part of that is definitely due to Skjei's regression
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This. In a vacuum, you can definitely sell me on Lindgren performing better than Trouba. But it's not that black and white to me. Roles matter, quality of opposition matters. Linemates matter. Once Skjei was traded, Trouba was a different player.
 
I've never heard of John Marino before today, why wasn't it more publicized that this guy was a college UFA?

His first year numbers are very good
 
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I think that comparing defenders with completely different roles and responsibilities can be a bit like comparing say a 4th line forward to a starting goalie playing 70 games a season.

Of course we can say that the 4th lineer playing "above average" is "better" than the starting goalie who is only "average". But what does that tell us? We know from a huuuge sample size that in our division, on our team, the top D that gets the toughest minutes against all the top lines around us gets exposed. What is Zibanejad's Corsi against Boston this season? We can blame it on Skjei or McD or Girardi or Pionk or Trouba or anyone. All play a part of what is happening on the ice. But is it not quite obvious when we watch our play against say Boston's top line -- that the big problem is not the play of one individual player, but that they take away our ice and turns so fast against us that we don't have time to set up? We need a unit that can match that.

I think these discussions can be really destructive with a ton of unnecessary pressure put on individuals that just don't deserve it.
 
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egelband said:
Yeah. I like Chytil but I haven’t seen any indication he can distribute and lug well enough to carry a line that’s expected to score a lot. He can do good individual things and is developing. But Strome is way ahead of Chytil at this time.
I’m not saying anything about two or three years from now. But for the moment I think Chytil is best-served ripening on the 3rd line.
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That's it. No one is saying that Chytil cannot or will not get there. But right now, he is NOT there. Presuming that simply anyone can step in and the results would be identical is folly. Why take the chances? You have something that clearly works. Why recreate the wheel when there is no need to do so?
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
Overall, yes. Trouba has been better when you consider the entire season, and the matchups. I think Lindgren gets a lot of praise for his physicality, but it doesn't put him ahead of Trouba for me
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I can't agree with this. His physicality has shut teams down. Trouba seems to wander... the hockey IQ is just terrible
 
Ola said:
I think that comparing defenders with completely different roles and responsibilities can be a bit like comparing say a 4th line forward to a starting goalie playing 70 games a season.

Of course we can say that the 4th lineer playing "above average" is "better" than the starting goalie who is only "average". But what does that tell us? We know from a huuuge sample size that in our division, on our team, the top D that gets the toughest minutes against all the top lines around us gets exposed. What is Zibanejad's Corsi against Boston this season? We can blame it on Skjei or McD or Girardi or Pionk or Trouba or anyone. All play a part of what is happening on the ice. But is it not quite obvious when we watch our play against say Boston's top line -- that the big problem is not the play of one individual player, but that they take away our ice and turns so fast against us that we don't have time to set up? We need a unit that can match that.

I think these discussions can be really destructive with a ton of unnecessary pressure put on individuals that just don't deserve it.
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Awesome response Ola. I'd disagree with the destructiveness part. I think it is healthy to analyze exactly what players do and can bring to our team. Isn't that a point of a roster building thread?

On another note, you make a great point Re: Boston. We have no answer to them currently. What do we need?
 
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UnSandvich said:
Lindgren looked good in a supporting role, but make no mistake, that pairing was carried by Fox, and carried hard
Trouba looked meh in a carrying role, but part of that is definitely due to Skjei's regression
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See and I see it as Lindgren allowed for Fox to completely play his game. Lindgren and Fox compliment each other. I did not see Fox carrying the pair. Offensively, sure. But Lindgren allowed for Fox to relax and play his game.

Regarding Trouba, I agree that part of it was Skjei. A solid partner, and the outlook on Trouba changes.

As for who was better, I do not think that you can look at the usage that Trouba got vs anyone else and not think that factors in. Lots of the good play of the rookies and DeAngelo was due to the fact that Trouba was getting all of the hard usage.
 
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NYRangers16 said:
I can't agree with this. His physicality has shut teams down. Trouba seems to wander... the hockey IQ is just terrible
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The only thing wandering is your perception vs reality.

Trouba has been very good in his FIRST year with a new team and city, despite being weighed down by factors such as a carousel rotation of partners that included Hajek and Skjei while taking the toughest matchups especially in the first half of the season, allowing for Fox and DeAngelo to thrive and grow into more important minutes. Trouba absorbed all of it. He took on the burden. And yes he has been a very physical, nasty in your face player just as Lindgren has. Just because Lindgren drops the gloves more, which puts him in the box for 5 minutes, doesnt mean he is more effective physically.


Trouba may be overpaid by $500k-$1 million but I can live with that. And that small gap in overpayment will even out over time as the cap and market prices increase for RHD at age 25-26.
 
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