Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLI

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Hank will not even win a single playoff game as a Ranger. He will retire before we make the playoffs again.

Cool.

I wasn't saying what I think will happen I was saying what his mindset clearly was/is.

 

[True Blue]

I don’t think so either, this was more spitballing. I was insinuating that the Rangers aren’t going to continue to pile up 1st round picks year after year after year after year. First, there’s just not enough playing time to go around for everyone in the NHL. Second, to get a quality player in a trade, when the Rangers feel the trade market is good for them, I would imagine them using a quality draft pick and a quality player to get in return a quality player from another team that fulfills a need, whether that’s a 1D or a 1/2C, we need to give to receive, that’s all I was getting at.

Sure, but I think that those moves are made when you are ready to contend and not a few years off.

The accumulation of picks and prospects also make me think that if someone like a Podkolzin falls, he may be the choice as Gorton can afford to wait for him. Or another talented but raw prospect that needs developmental time like a Seider.

 

[Lays]

Fox on a pairing with Q. Hughes for USA Today, Kreider and Skjei also playing. Moritz Seider is on Germany’s second pairing as well which kind of surprised me

 

[RangerBoy]

Who are the people he is trying to trade?

The Rangers don't have many players with good value left to trade.

Kreider is probably the only player remaining with solid trade value. Skjei? He had a down year.

Brooks wrote the Rangers tried to trade Shattenkirk at the deadline and other teams offered their bad contracts in exchange.

Staal and Smith. See Shattenkirk.

The Rangers could a ton back for Zibanejad if they wanted to make that deal.

Fast, Vesey and Namestnikov have one season left on their contracts. They don't have much market value.

There is not much left to trade.

 

[Lion Hound]

MSG Network has a new show with Bill Pidto and Alan Hahn until the summer.

Gorton was on last night.

Gorton's Thoughts on Hughes, Kakko - MSGNetworks.com

Gorton said we are making deals, we are trying to trade people and doing things we can do when he was asked about the team looking for a team president. Business as usual. Gorton makes the hockey personnel decisions.

He also discussed the #2 pick, the prospect signings and the Fox trade.

Have to admit...Not something that you normally hear a GM say. "We are trying to trade people".

 

[Edge]

I'd say Kreider is the most likely trade candidate.

I'd put Skjei at a distant second.

Names and others are possibilities, but I don't know if the juice is worth the squeeze at this time. If/when contracts are up? Yeah, they could be candidates.

Shattenkirk would essentially be a swap for a similar contract at a different position. I think there's an unusual amount of optimism around here when it comes to trading him as part of a package for something sexy.

 

[NYR Viper]

I'd say Kreider is the most likely trade candidate.

I'd put Skjei at a distant second.

Names and others are possibilities, but I don't know if the juice is worth the squeeze at this time. If/when contracts are up? Yeah, they could be candidates.

Shattenkirk would essentially be a swap for a similar contract at a different position. I think there's an unusual amount of optimism around here when it comes to trading him as part of a package for something sexy.

I'd be okay re-allocating the Smith and Shattenkirk cap hits towards 2-3 forwards in lieu of defense. I think the team probably could absorb and use a couple of overpaid veteran forwards while opening up slots on defense for a couple of younger defensemen.

 

[Edge]

Pidto trys too hard to get Gorton to spill the beans on if they want Kakko or Hughes.

I'm going to venture a guess that the Rangers have Hughes number one.

I'll base that on two factors:

1. I'm 99 percent sure the Rangers are one of McKenzie's cited teams for his polling.

2. I have yet to hear of a team that has Kakko ahead of Hughes.

 

[Edge]

I'd be okay re-allocating the Smith and Shattenkirk cap hits towards 2-3 forwards in lieu of defense. I think the team probably could absorb and use a couple of overpaid veteran forwards while opening up slots on defense for a couple of younger defensemen.

Right now I'll say that Shattenkirk is more likely to be moved.

 

[NYR Viper]

Right now I'll say that Shattenkirk is more likely to be moved.

And that would make sense considering the addition of Fox

 

[Edge]

And that would make sense considering the addition of Fox

I'll also think there's probably more interest in Shattenkirk. He's a RHD and a team could argue that if they swap him for a similar contract, they can roll him out there on the third line and maybe get 30 points out of him.

 

[Avery16]

Hank will not even win a single playoff game as a Ranger. He will retire before we make the playoffs again.

I don't know the future, but I kind of assume that either Shesty doesn't translate OR we trade Georgiev. Whichever one left will split duties with Hank, eventually overtaking his starts. In this scenario, I think Hank re-ups as a comfortably-paid backup or 1B, with the plan of his name being on a Rangers Cup.

 

[Edge]

I don't know the future, but I kind of assume that either Shesty doesn't translate OR we trade Georgiev. Whichever one left will split duties with Hank, eventually overtaking his starts. In this scenario, I think Hank re-ups as a comfortably-paid backup or 1B, with the plan of his name being on a Rangers Cup.

The challenge is going to be timing.

Shesterkin and Georgiev will both be in their age 23-24 season and at some point, the former is going to have to get an extended look to make the determination of who stays. In that scenario, you have to potentially balance a three goalie rotation, which isn't the easiest assignment for the coaching staff or the players.

 

[JimmyG89]

I'll also think there's probably more interest in Shattenkirk. He's a RHD and a team could argue that if they swap him for a similar contract, they can roll him out there on the third line and maybe get 30 points out of him.

Right now I'll say that Shattenkirk is more likely to be moved.

I'm not sure how this will play out, but if we're making a bunch of moves, and we're not trying to "rush" any of these young players along, but you have to wonder if they will explore the Kovalchuk option. Could be someone to mentor the younger Russian players that came over this year.

Not sure if Quinn will be on board with someone like Kovalchuk, but it'd be another veteran in the room and we open up a spot on defense. Not to mention, he can still score.

 

[apoptygma]

Next year they will most likely start Shestyorkin in AHL, and have Georgiev back up Hank. When Georgiev gets close to the limit regarding waivers I guess they will switch spots.
Should give Hank around 50 starts,and the 2 others 15 each as back-up and half a season each as starters in AHL. The last season of Hanks contract will make some problems.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I'd be okay re-allocating the Smith and Shattenkirk cap hits towards 2-3 forwards in lieu of defense. I think the team probably could absorb and use a couple of overpaid veteran forwards while opening up slots on defense for a couple of younger defensemen.

This just doesn't sound like a great idea to me with regards to Shattenkirk. Just hold onto him for another season and wait till his bonus gets paid if he needs to be traded. He will have a 6.65M cap hit and 2M salary, some budget team would take that unless he completely declines and is just unplayable which probably won't happen.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Right now I'll say that Shattenkirk is more likely to be moved.

If they can get out of the salary completely? Probably.

I have a hard time believing they're running with 3 1st or 2nd year NHL'ers on the right side though (unless there is something else up their sleeve.)

 

[DanielBrassard]

If they can get out of the salary completely? Probably.

I have a hard time believing they're running with 3 1st or 2nd year NHL'ers on the right side though (unless there is something else up their sleeve.)

Well ADA has basically 2 full seasons in the NHL, but agreed.

 

[Levitate]

Next year they will most likely start Shestyorkin in AHL, and have Georgiev back up Hank. When Georgiev gets close to the limit regarding waivers I guess they will switch spots.
Should give Hank around 50 starts,and the 2 others 15 each as back-up and half a season each as starters in AHL. The last season of Hanks contract will make some problems.

They could carry 3 goalies though apparently that's tough in practices. I think it's gonna be a competition between Georgiev and Shesterkin in training camp/preseason and whoever performs best will start as the backup. That said, I also expect them to swap up and down quite a bit

I'd expect more 40 starts for hank and the other 42 split between Georgiev and Shesterkin, but could depend on how everyone is playing. If Hank is playing really well, I think Quinn will ride that streak. If the younger guys are playing well, they'll get playing time, etc.

At any rate am I the only one that sees Gorton and thinks he looks more like the strength coach or the equipment guy than the general manager?

 

[Beacon]

Staal, Shatty are needed to at least the TDL, probably longer. If you want ADA, Fox, etc to look the way Pionk looked last year. Put them on the first pair against all the stars so they get a whirlwind and lose confidence. Pionk was a good prospect who'd have looked really good as a sheltered rookie. Instead, he got consistent difficult assignments and looked how you'd expect a rookie D to look vs star forwards. The same will happen to Fox and ADA (there's a reason DQ chose to put Pionk on the top pair and not ADA).

Shatty and Staal are also not first pair Ds, but they are vets and less likely to lose themselves in a whirlwind. And if they do, who cares. We need to bring up our rookies slowly and carefully, not just plug them on the top line/pair because we assume that they will reach their ceiling as rookies.

 

[aufheben]

This just doesn't sound like a great idea to me with regards to Shattenkirk. Just hold onto him for another season and wait till his bonus gets paid if he needs to be traded. He will have a 6.65M cap hit and 2M salary, some budget team would take that unless he completely declines and is just unplayable which probably won't happen.

I don’t understand the fascination with trading Shattenkirk. Or Smith for that matter.

 

[TheTakedown]

The challenge is going to be timing.

Shesterkin and Georgiev will both be in their age 23-24 season and at some point, the former is going to have to get an extended look to make the determination of who stays. In that scenario, you have to potentially balance a three goalie rotation, which isn't the easiest assignment for the coaching staff or the players.

This is why I've consistently said that the Rangers will most likely have no issue carrying Hank as a 3rd goalie on the team as a sacrifice towards him. There are plenty of ELC guys that can be sent up and down on paper transactions, and all of the goalies are waiver exempt right now so sending them down to Hartford for extra games and practices is not an issue. Not all 3 goalies will be up all the time at the same time, but there may be period where we are running 3 goaltenders

 

[Anthony5967]

I don’t understand the fascination with trading Shattenkirk. Or Smith for that matter.

If you can move them at 1/2, why wouldn't you? Shattenkirk has been a trainwreck since they signed him and Smith has been just as bad. Smith is the guy I'd move first, though.

 

[Bluto]

Georgiev might end up being an expansion draft casualty...

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Georgiev might end up being an expansion draft casualty...

No he won't. Lundqvist doesn't need to be protected and Shestyorkin is exempt