Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XL

[The Crypto Guy]

We'd save $2.8 in 2019, $2.0 in 2020 and it'd cost $1.2 against in 2021-2022. Not that bad.

It's not necessary per se but he'd be blocking a kid from playing next year. Wouldn't we want to see Rykov, Lindgren and/or Hajek get their chance?

Staals not blocking anyone. Get Smith off the team and Claesson is gone. Can't put out a team with 4-5 defenseman under 2 years experience.

Trade Shatty next season or the season after.

Staal and Shatty don't need to be playing all 82 games, if a kid is deserving of the spot give it to them.

If he is a 55 point scorer in 3-4 years do you think that's worth 11M for another 3-4 seasons?

 

[FIRE DRURY]

If the team doesn't make a sincere attempt to sign players and improve the team, they are cheating the paying customers.

If the team attempts to accelerate the rebuild like they did in 04, they are punching and kicking and robbing the paying customers.

Apparently Zuccarello has decided that he will test the UFA market.

What makes you say that?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

If the team attempts to accelerate the rebuild like they did in 04, they are punching and kicking and robbing the paying customers.



What makes you say that?

It was reported on the Dallas board.

 

[Blue Blooded]

If the team attempts to accelerate the rebuild like they did in 04, they are punching and kicking and robbing the paying customers.



What makes you say that?

Webster posted on the Dallas board that it's what Zucc's agent is advising him to do.

 

[True Blue]

That's irrelevant IMO. The point of rebuilding is to 'live and die' with a young roster. Expectations will sometimes differ from results. Hopefully soon, for the positive

About one of the worst things you can do is thrust players into roles that they are not ready for. There is a world of difference between living and dying with a young roster and placing developing youngsters into roles that they are not ready to handle.

There is a balance to be had. That is one of many reasons why players like ZBad and Kreider (if he is here) become important. Not only in leading the locker room and setting an example, but playing top line minutes against the opposition's top defenders. That is how you get a perpetual rebuild. Place kids into roles that they are not ready for with expectations that they cannot live up to.

We'd save $2.8 in 2019, $2.0 in 2020 and it'd cost $1.2 against in 2021-2022. Not that bad.

Only when you look at in in a vacuum. You are leaving out Girardis' dead cap hit.

It's not necessary per se but he'd be blocking a kid from playing next year. Wouldn't we want to see Rykov, Lindgren and/or Hajek get their chance?

Then why not simply reduce his playing time? They did it with Henke, why not with Staal?

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Webster posted on the Dallas board that it's what Zucc's agent is advising him to do.

Of course Zucc’s agent is telling him that, it likely means a bigger payday for him.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Why are we taking Webster's word on this?

He was pretty adamant that Zucc was staying in NY too.

 

[Kovalev27]

I think hell stay with Dallas. Really do

 

[Zibanejbread]

Why are we taking Webster's word on this?

He was pretty adamant that Zucc was staying in NY too.

He had a signing scheduled for TDL day!

 

[True Blue]

Why are we taking Webster's word on this?

He was pretty adamant that Zucc was staying in NY too.

Not to mention the PR disaster it was going to be with hordes of fans marching on the Garden and loss of revenue for jersey sales. And that not only was he going to get resigned but come back as Captain.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Webster posted on the Dallas board that it's what Zucc's agent is advising him to do.

Yeah okay. This is the same guy who kept saying Zuccarello was not going to be traded

 

[kovazub94]

I'm not hung up on how talent is acquired.

In fact, I'd suggest not getting to attached to some of the prospects we have now as there will be one or two eventually packaged for a more pressing need elsewhere.

I could see a kid or two packaged for a more developed young defender to help this team.

Drafting talent is important
Signing talent is, in my opinion, just as important.
Trading for talent is very important as well, but the timing and target have to be right.

For me, I think you maximize a talent like Kakko by pairing him with other good to elite talent and a line of Panarin, Zibanejad and Kakko would do wonders for this kid.

Hell, you can split Mika and Artemi and run:

Kakko-Mika-Buchnevich
Panarin-Chytil-Kravtsov

I am of the belief that you help young offensive players better develope by playing with other offensive players in offensive situations.

Probably Strome is better option to switch with Kratvsov on the 2/3 lines to start the season (or maybe even having Kravtsov in Hartford until he’s acclimated and ready for the callup).

 

[Fitzy]

There's a difference between

Zuccarello will see what kind of offers he gets and

Zuccarello will take the best offer he gets

He can use other teams contracts to leverage a better deal with Dallas. It's just smart business. The guy took a paycut to stay with NYR, I imagine he wouldn't mind getting paid what he's worth on his last long-term contract.

 

[aufheben]

Webster is not a source.

 

[Beacon]

Yeah every 'year'. When was the last 'year' we had top picks and we were rebuilding?

Every year there's an excuse. The excuse with Kreider was that he already scored 5 playoff goals, so he'll score 30 in the regular season as a rookie. Grachev is just a beast prospect. Lias is a top 10 pick. Chytil dominated the AHL as an 18 year old.But just as all of them, Kravtsov too will have a normal development curve. He will have a season similar to Chytil's this year. Maybe one of Hajek or Rykov can make it as a 3 pair guy, but not both and one won't be a 2 pair guy. Same for others.

Are you saying you want to sign UFA's? Or are you suggesting Names and Vesey would be better suited in the top6?

We can sign some cheap UFAs like Grabner and Dominic Moore. They provide leadership and stability and allow kids to move up when they're ready, not because nobody else is available to play. You sign a couple too many of them because half of them turn into Ryan Malone. But the ones who exceed expectations can later be traded for picks at the TDL when some of the kids have show enough improvement after 60 games to get called up.

This is very different than throwing $7-11 contracts for 7 years at UFAs the whole league is bidding for.

 

[iamitter]

We'd save $2.8 in 2019, $2.0 in 2020 and it'd cost $1.2 against in 2021-2022. Not that bad.

It's not necessary per se but he'd be blocking a kid from playing next year. Wouldn't we want to see Rykov, Lindgren and/or Hajek get their chance?

I would rather have a bad cap hit in the years we don't need the space rather than a charge for the years we do.

Getting a cap credit these next two years in exchange for a cap charge in the future is a terrible idea.

 

[hi]

Webster is not a source.

A source of migraines and laughter

 

[haohmaru]

Webster



lol

 

[haohmaru]

Every year there's an excuse. The excuse with Kreider was that he already scored 5 playoff goals, so he'll score 30 in the regular season as a rookie. Grachev is just a beast prospect. Lias is a top 10 pick. Chytil dominated the AHL as an 18 year old.But just as all of them, Kravtsov too will have a normal development curve. He will have a season similar to Chytil's this year. Maybe one of Hajek or Rykov can make it as a 3 pair guy, but not both and one won't be a 2 pair guy. Same for others.



We can sign some cheap UFAs like Grabner and Dominic Moore. They provide leadership and stability and allow kids to move up when they're ready, not because nobody else is available to play. You sign a couple too many of them because half of them turn into Ryan Malone. But the ones who exceed expectations can later be traded for picks at the TDL when some of the kids have show enough improvement after 60 games to get called up.

This is very different than throwing $7-11 contracts for 7 years at UFAs the whole league is bidding for.

I keep seeing the negative but never see anything positive in your takes.

Was Howden a pleasant suprise?
Did Buchnevich make huge strides?
Did ADA become an NHL defenseman before our eyes?
Did Georgiev provide a sample size worthy enough to think of him as a possible NHL starter?
Did Zibanejad take a huge step forward?
Did Kreider have another solid year?
Did Ryan Strome have a career changing year?

It's not all pouring rain and gale force winds. There were a lot of positives last year.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Webster is not a source.

He's not the source, he was just passing on info from a Norwegian article. And frankly, it makes a lot of sense, he would be crazy not to test the market.

 

[NYR Viper]

I understand the people not wanting to overpay for Panarin. Anything at or north of $10m is outside of where the Rangers should be playing for practically anyone. In saying that, if they can get him on a team friendlier deal, say 7 years at $9.5m, I’m not sure I understand the desire to pass on that.

 

[duhmetreE]

I would rather have a bad cap hit in the years we don't need the space rather than a charge for the years we do.

Getting a cap credit these next two years in exchange for a cap charge in the future is a terrible idea.

I agree. Buying him out is not necessary, I'd just rather watch someone with a future on this team play.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I keep seeing the negative but never see anything positive in your takes.

Was Howden a pleasant suprise?
Did Buchnevich make huge strides?
Did ADA become an NHL defenseman before our eyes?
Did Georgiev provide a sample size worthy enough to think of him as a possible NHL starter?
Did Zibanejad take a huge step forward?
Did Kreider have another solid year?
Did Ryan Strome have a career changing year?

It's not all pouring rain and gale force winds. There were a lot of positives last year.

- Kind of. Great start, horrible middle, strong finish.
- He finished strong, thats for sure.
- Damn right.
- Yup.
- Hell yes.
- Yes, but the finish is what will be remembered.
- Better than expected, but he also shot a gazillion percent.

But also:

- They didn't pull an okie doke on the rebuild and still sold at the deadline (oh that sweet, sweet return for Hayes.)
- Small sample size, but Hajek looked great.
- We got rid of Webster
- Most of all, We got the #2 OA!

This was a very, very successful season for the rebuild.

 

[haohmaru]

- Kind of. Great start, horrible middle, strong finish.
- He finished strong, thats for sure.
- Damn right.
- Yup.
- Hell yes.
- Yes, but the finish is what will be remembered.
- Better than expected, but he also shot a gazillion percent.

But also:

- They didn't pull an okie doke on the rebuild and still sold at the deadline (oh that sweet, sweet return for Hayes.)
- Small sample size, but Hajek looked great.
- We got rid of Webster
- Most of all, We got the #2 OA!

This was a very, very successful season for the rebuild.

All you had to say.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Webster was annoying but it seems pretty clear he’s connected to Zucc in some form

Wouldn’t be shocked if he’s right