Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XL

[bobbop]

So what do you do with the 3 goalies?

Right now nothing. Once Sherstykin proves himself I’ll answer your question.

 

[True Blue]

Except that, unless you mean “looking to contend at some point,” you’re completely wrong that those are only moves made by teams looking to contend. Teams who haven’t quite gotten there make these moves all the time and the ones that win the Cup usually did as well.

Again, no one is saying that. At least not me. You are clinging to these comments seemingly based on me being against the Panarin signing or against trading for Trouba. It has now turned into "moves that teams that a contender is making". Why am I defending arguments that I am not making? Making points that no one is debating, while trying to make it fit into the context of what is actually being debated......

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Right now nothing. Once Sherstykin proves himself I’ll answer your question.

No I mean what do you do with 3 goalies? Is it true there was a rumor Shesty doesn’t wanna start in the AHL? Or is that fake news? I remember seeing something about that on here a while back. If it’s not true then I would assume you leave Shesty in Hartford for however long and maybe when the time is right find a taker for Georgie or package him in a bigger deal. Sorry if I came off like a dick with the initial post, I really value your opinion on here and was curious as to what the approach should be.

 

[gravey9]

Regarding Kreider: here's the calculation as far as I understand it.

Re-sign Options:
My guess is 6yr x 6.75, with some sort of NTC.

If I'm the Rangers and am serious about re-signing him, I offer him more money to get rid of any no trade clauses. Contract is a lot easier to move if teams like Edmonton and Arizona are still in plays -- as opposed to trying to move 7m or 6.5m AAV to a contender.

Consider almost any deal over 6 AAV keeps him in NY or traded to small market team with cap space. I have a feeling Kreider will care more about location than 500k. So, 6.5 with some sort NTC is likely what he's looking for. He currently has a limited NTC preventing him from going to 11 teams -- which does muddy the trade options for this off-season and beyond.

Trade Options:
Trade for a younger NHL D or younger top 6 forward (ala Zibby trade) -- this is the most likely type of deal the Rangers can make. Find a cap-strapped team looking to make a Cup push this off-season.

Trade for a 1st round pick + prospect(s) at 2019 draft. There are a few teams with a top 10 pick in this draft that would want Chris, but unclear if Kreider would have them on his NTC list. Likely, a mid 1st round pick (10-20 range) + 1-2 prospects/young NHL players. But is that really worth it? Is keeping him around for next season more valuable?

Trade for a 1st round pick + prospect at 2020 deadline? Mirror of the Hayes trade. Given that Kreider would only be sent to a playoff team, we're likely looking at a pick in the the 18-31 range. But next year's draft is supposedly deeper than this years. So the question is: is the 2019 14OA pick equal in value tot the 2020 20OA pick? Might be a wash.

This is why I'm thinking:

The best trade value option this summer is likely a Zibanejad-style trade to a playoff/SC contender for a young forward or D. Nylander/Kylington/Trouba?

BUT, given that limited NTC -- there's still a very strong chance the best option for Kreider is just trading at the 2020 deadline.

As much as I would love to get a 2019 top 10 draft pick by dangling Kreider, I think due to that NTC on his existing contract it's going to be more challenging to pull off. The only deal I see in that range is the Avs, Florida or Arizona, but maybe just the Avs wouldn't be blocked. And I have no idea if prying the 40A is a remote possibility, even with dangling CK.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Any thoughts of trading Georgiev right now are crazy. He’s a rising star. Until you are certain that Sherstykin is equal or greater, you don't trade the bird in hand. All things in due time..

Oh I'm certain! Your'e damn right I'm certain!

 

[Lundy HOF]

Bokk it!

I'll tape it and post it here, @Machinehead style.

Can you change your name to “I eat socks?”

 

[Mikos87]

I also think that's why you have to factor in two things:

1. The ability to identify a unique situation that could make it worth it for another team. That's why you see Arizona come up, and that's why I think Anaheim is a dark horse as well. If you can get reasonably close to the latter's draft position, perhaps using the former, and they like several guys in the "will they or won't they go in the top 10" category, you can potentially try and sell them on the idea of trading down five spots, but picking up additional picks (be it the Jets, Dallas, Tampa, some combo). That would give them three firsts, including as many as two additional picks in the top 60 for their troubles.

2. Speaking to the above, you're going to pay a premium to make a move --- and the Rangers do have the capital. It's more a question of how much of it are they willing to spend. But make no mistake, any move would not come cheap.

Which is why I'm game for a Kreider deal. You get cap space as an asset coming back if he's going for a pick.

The last significant pick for pick move up I can think off is Couture in terms of a top 10 pick. I just dont see it happening too often.

 

[Mikos87]

Any thoughts of trading Georgiev right now are crazy. He’s a rising star. Until you are certain that Sherstykin is equal or greater, you don't trade the bird in hand. All things in due time..

That's exactly it. If the Rangers put Georgi on the market, there will be teams after him.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Can you change your name to “I eat socks?”

If it comes down to it, you're on.

 

[Ola]

I’ve mentioned his name in here before but if Gorton can rid the team of a couple of guys on the back end AND is looking for an inexpensive RD stopgap who plays a heavier style, I’d look hard into Alex Petrovic. He’s had a couple of injury hindered seasons but he’s still young and he’s a guy who isn’t afraid to mix things up. Say as a 5-7 d-man he’d at least bring something they don’t have.

It’s totally ridiculous, but Viper, if we can trade Shatty and get a good return for Pionk — can’t we sign Dylan McIlrath?

It would make my soul whole again. I have a hole in the heart that never will heal as long as we are apart from McTruck.

 

[egelband]

I hope Shattenkirk is fully healthy and turns it around next season. I still dig that he came "home" for less. If it ends up working out that's a great story.

 

[Overcast]

No I mean what do you do with 3 goalies? Is it true there was a rumor Shesty doesn’t wanna start in the AHL? Or is that fake news? I remember seeing something about that on here a while back. If it’s not true then I would assume you leave Shesty in Hartford for however long and maybe when the time is right find a taker for Georgie or package him in a bigger deal. Sorry if I came off like a dick with the initial post, I really value your opinion on here and was curious as to what the approach should be.

This was debunked. It was in another thread (god knows where at this point) where he said he would accept assignment to the AHL.

 

[egelband]

This was debunked. It was in another thread (god knows where at this point) where he said he would accept assignment to the AHL.

Yeah. I think for the most part these guys are pretty flexible. As long as there's a good reason and it's explained clearly.

 

[NYR Viper]

It’s totally ridiculous, but Viper, if we can trade Shatty and get a good return for Pionk — can’t we sign Dylan McIlrath?

It would make my soul whole again. I have a hole in the heart that never will heal as long as we are apart from McTruck.

I’d sign McIlrath as a #8 in a heartbeat. Not because of his name, because he’s a very good AAAA player who has no qualms about pulling someone out of a scrum to beat the crap out of them. This board would melt though.

 

[bleedblue94]

The Rangers can't offersheet anyone unless no 2nd or 3rd round picks are involved. They traded their 3rd or 2nd next year for Fox.

If they were to sign marner or point to a contract that wouldn't be match, then the aav would be in the threshold of four 1st rounders anyways, so the Fox trade has no bearing. Still very unlikely, but cannot be dismissed

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I tell you what, can’t see anyway Zucc re-signs in Dallas. There’s just no way! No way at all!

 

[Thirty One]

I’ve mentioned his name in here before but if Gorton can rid the team of a couple of guys on the back end AND is looking for an inexpensive RD stopgap who plays a heavier style, I’d look hard into Alex Petrovic. He’s had a couple of injury hindered seasons but he’s still young and he’s a guy who isn’t afraid to mix things up. Say as a 5-7 d-man he’d at least bring something they don’t have.

You definitely have a type.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Good luck to Toronto and Tampa and Winnipeg

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Cap not rising that much would be amazing for us. We’re in an excellent position to take on bad contracts AND it will keep the Rangers from being stupid and trying to sign UFAs to large contracts.

 

[Ori]

As long we get Ødegaard in a buyback deal from Real Madrid I`m fine @Leetch3 - and think about that San siro moment waiting for this since 1981.

Anyway back to topic: I agree we should keep one for veteran present, but who? Maybe keep Fast and move Vesey.. Jimmy Vesey have better value perhaps - Fast is hard working forward so harder to replace as well - especially since we get one of Jack Hughes or Kakko and Kratsov so we can fill that top 6 role!

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I hope Shattenkirk is fully healthy and turns it around next season. I still dig that he came "home" for less. If it ends up working out that's a great story.

I think it’s more plausible that Shatty bounces back than some believe. If his knee is in good shape I could see him rebuilding his value, which is why I’m not in a rush to move him.

 

[duhmetreE]

I hope Shattenkirk is fully healthy and turns it around next season. I still dig that he came "home" for less. If it ends up working out that's a great story.

ehhhhhhhh that'd mean he's taking PP time away from ADA, Pionk or Fox.

His Even-strength production was on par with his career average... It's time to move on, his services are no longer needed. If we're going to have a vet on the team, I'd prefer a stabilizing force.

 

[Kovalev27]

What on earth is this Malkin rumor?!? I know he’s always wanted to be a Ranger at some point in his career. Is this even a real thing?

 

[effen]

ehhhhhhhh that'd mean he's taking PP time away from ADA, Pionk or Fox.

His Even-strength production was on par with his career average... It's time to move on, his services are no longer needed. If we're going to have a vet on the team, I'd prefer a stabilizing force.

If Shattenkirk proves he belongs on the PP, then he should play on it.

Fowards are people too, and you owe it to them not to gimp them. It's also bad policy to hand people undeserved ice time for any reason.

 

[effen]

I’ve mentioned his name in here before but if Gorton can rid the team of a couple of guys on the back end AND is looking for an inexpensive RD stopgap who plays a heavier style, I’d look hard into Alex Petrovic. He’s had a couple of injury hindered seasons but he’s still young and he’s a guy who isn’t afraid to mix things up. Say as a 5-7 d-man he’d at least bring something they don’t have.

He's f***ing TERRIBLE. Sweet Jesus, no. For reference, Staal is twice the player he is.