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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XL

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Edge said:
At the end of the day, I get the sense from conversations over the last 6 -8 months that the Rangers want to come away with the guys they like and are willing to be aggressive in coming away with them.

I suspect they don't want to be in a position like 2017 where the guy at the top of their list was just out of reach. I think they want to go in, get their guys, and go home.

So in the Fox case, I think the Rangers probably could've haggled over which second rounder, or rolled the dice on waiting a year, but the fact was that they wanted Fox. As a result, they went out and got him. No speculating, no maybes, no waiting, no last minute derailments, etc.

Based on those same conversations, I get the sense the Rangers would like to take a similar approach in this draft. Let's put the Kreider speculation aside for a moment. Let's say for example that Zegras or Newhook is on the board at 14, and the Rangers have both guys ranked high. I can see the Rangers being willing to part with the Jets pick, the Dallas pick and the Tampa pick to get "their guy" and know he's in the fold.

I say that because I think there's a decent probability that if people weren't crazy about the Fox price, they're going to be surprised at how aggressive the Rangers might look to be elsewhere.
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Was Fox the one they really wanted or did they get him because Carolina really wanted to move him ASAP and get higher return for him and they fell for the sales pitch?
 
Lion Hound said:
Brooks threw two tidbits out there recently.

1) Shattenkirk on the clock
2) Rangers trading a roster player to get another pick the 1st round.

Petrified of a Shatty plus the WPG pick, for a Cap dump type of a deal with say Edmonton for a Lucic contract plus the 8th overall.
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That sounds more like Kreider to me, TBH.

Not many other guys we'd trade that are worth a first- Vesey Fast and Names may each be worth a late second or early third, but a first screams Kreider.
 
RangerBoy said:
I screwed up my post. I went to edit it and left stuff out.

The Rangers Winnipeg pick moved up with the Stars-Blues in the 2nd round. #21. Carolina. Columbus. Colorado. The Winnipeg pick moves up with one of those teams reaching the CF. All if the teams with the letter C.

Dallas winning the Blues series gets the Rangers another late 1st rounder. Zuccarello is a perfect fit in Dallas. There are not many perfect fits for him. They should re-sign him. He should stay there. They could go into the free agent market to replace him. The player they get won’t be cheaper and they have no idea how that player will play for them. Dallas already knows Zuccarello.

The Adam Fox trade silences those crazy Erik Karlsson rumors. The Rangers don’t need two smallish RD. It also takes them out of any offer sheet requiring 2nd rounders. Two positive things. Those offer sheets are trouble in the NHL.
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We now have 4 smallish RD...
 
Hopefully Larry is just throwing shit at the wall.

I'm not really interested in buying anyone out. But buying Shatty out is especially stupid.

You get $5m cap savings this season, 500k next season, then two years of $1.4m dead cap hits.

Just keep him this year, pay his bonus, his salary for 20-21 is $2m and you trade him.
 
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RGY said:
Trade Nams and Vesey to get back a 2nd or 3rd. Whether it is this years draft or next.

Re-sign Kreider $6.75 per over 5 years.
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if you can get a 2nd do it, but i'm not really in a rush to move names...i don't think he'll return much and I think he's a good young veteran to have on the team right now. he should hopefully be good for all the russians come over and seems like a good lockerroom/effort guy to teach kids. And along with strome, I also like that they can play any position including both top 6 or bottom 6. which is nice flexibility to have when it comes to inserting the kids in the best places for them to succeed. you don't need to force them into certain roles...

i wouldn't care if he gets moved tomorrow, but i think for the transition phase we are in, he might be worth more to us than he'd return in a trade
 
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Anthony5967 said:
Would WPG do a Shattenkirk (50% retained) + WPG 1st for Trouba?
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Why would the Rangers do it? If Gorton truly is hot and heavy about Trouba, why not wait and sign him as a UFA and not give up any assets?

The Rangers are a lottery team next year and there is simply no way that Trouba is not testing out free agency.
 
Avery16 said:
I think there’s a better 13F out there than Smith, but that’s just me.
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Except he was traded for as a defensemen who was going to help in the playoffs and bring an element that the Rangers were short on. Which is what he did. And then he crapped out after signing the big deal. That happens.
 
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True Blue said:
Why would the Rangers do it? If Gorton truly is hot and heavy about Trouba, why not wait and sign him as a UFA and not give up any assets?

The Rangers are a lottery team next year and there is simply no way that Trouba is not testing out free agency.
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I’d agree they should wait it out until they can sign him and not part with any assets. Trouba isn’t enough to get them over the hump next season anyway.
 
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Thirty One said:
Based on what?
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He is going to be 26 years old when he hits free agency. This contract will likely be the largest one he signs. If I was his agent, I would certainly urge him to see. A 26 year old kid, not looking to maximize his dollars? I think not.
 
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East Coast Bias said:
Hopefully Larry is just throwing **** at the wall.

I'm not really interested in buying anyone out. But buying Shatty out is especially stupid.

You get $5m cap savings this season, 500k next season, then two years of $1.4m dead cap hits.

Just keep him this year, pay his bonus, his salary for 20-21 is $2m and you trade him.
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I think it will depend on what other irons Gorton has in the fire. Buying out Shatty saves us 5 mil this year, that we could use to take on a bad 1 year contract, like Callahan. We already have the cap space to do that if we want to, but we don't know what other deals Gorton is looking at.

Buying him out also has the benefit of freeing up a spot on defense. We've got a serious logjam right now, depending on which kids are ready.
 
True Blue said:
He is going to be 26 years old when he hits free agency. This contract will likely be the largest one he signs. If I was his agent, I would certainly urge him to see. A 26 year old kid, not looking to maximize his dollars? I think not.
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He'll get a 7-8 years, large money deal as an RFA from whatever team trades for him.
 
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