Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XL

[LORDE]

Forgive me for being confused by you agreeing with me. It's pretty rare

EHHHHHH we both wanna get to the same place... it's the route we differ on most times

 

[Waivers]

No to Zibanejad, he’s part of the solution and he’s looking fairly elite.

74 points last year, add Panarin to his line, and add Kakko or another highly potent offensive forward, what do you think he does now?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Kreider if he takes a 4 or 5 year deal can stay if his ask is too rich or too long...then bye bye

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

What are your guys thoughts of something around Zib for 4th overall?

4th OA, no.

4th OA and Kaut? Still no.

4th OA, Kaut and 16th OA? Tempting, but no.

There is no deal to be had here unless Makar is involved which is a non starter for Colorado.

 

[LORDE]

Was Fox the one they really wanted or did they get him because Carolina really wanted to move him ASAP and get higher return for him and they fell for the sales pitch?

Serious question here... do you read or listen to / watch what Gorton says?

I know you're not a fan but even when you listen to politicians and they lie (this isn't aimed at anyone specifically currently in the XXXXX XXXXX), you can CLEARLY sense what they care about or what they want.

X - has been redacted due to ongoing investigation

 

[Mac n Gs]

Kreider had 28 goals this season (Panarin 28 as well) that put him tied for 48th overall in the league. League av was 8.4 goals.
I really feel barring an unforeseen injury he can keep that up until he’s 32-33 no problem. He’s a specimen
With luck and playing with Zibby and possibly Kakko he could hit 35-40.
If he would sign 7 years at 6.5 I would sign him. But if an overwhelming deal came up I could see doing that as well. Very tough decision because he’s an unusual talent. Size speed power. Hard to come by. Also I keep thinking if we trade him he will he will go wild with his new team. Just our luck.

I think you’re overestimating how much of an increase he’ll see in his scoring, but I agree, it’s a tough decision. His on-ice effects coupled with his off-ice attitude and work ethic are what you want to surround your talented young core with. It all comes down to cost.

It doesn't terrify me. Maybe Dubinsky wasn't the best example (I watched the game last night) but he's obviously still a very useful player on a team that's making a lot of noise and just beat up on the analytics wunderkids. Every team needs a certain kind of player, it's not all flashy 22 year olds skating around. We want a team that can win a cup. You need older established players to do that. We're seeing that in the playoffs. And there's risk with every player, but the guy is in amazing shape. I'm less worried about his durability than I am about someone like Zibanejad.

Who would be better to have on the other side of either Kakko or Kratsov this year?

If Kreider and his agent ask for something ridiculous, move him. Move him tomorrow. But if not, keep him. He'll only be a benefit to kids like Kakko, Kratsov, Chytil, whoever.

I agree with you and said so in my other post. I just think they’d be prudent to avoid overpaying their depth (assuming he’ll turn into a 3rd/4th line-caliber player at the end of his deal) and buying into players on the wrong end of their aging curves. Buying in at the wrong time has already burnt us before, and overpaying depth is a death knell in the salary cap era.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

I agree with you and said so in my other post. I just think they’d be prudent to avoid overpaying their depth (assuming he’ll turn into a 3rd/4th line-caliber player at the end of his deal) and buying into players on the wrong end of their aging curves. Buying in at the wrong time has already burnt us before, and overpaying depth is a death knell in the salary cap era.

Everything you say makes total sense but I'm not advocating overpaying him on his next deal. I think 6.5 is fair and shouldn't be burdensome. Sure we've gotten burnt in the past, every team has. I just get the feeling that a lot of people here, and I'm not directing this at you, think assembling a roster is as easy as plugging stats into a spread sheet. The good GMs are the ones that balance both and build teams with the right complimentary pieces. That's what wins championships.

Say in four years,Kreider is your second line LW, maybe 3rd line, is that really a bad thing come playoff time?

 

[Mac n Gs]

Everything you say makes total sense but I'm not advocating overpaying him on his next deal. I think 6.5 is fair and shouldn't be burdensome. Sure we've gotten burnt in the past, every team has. I just get the feeling that a lot of people here, and I'm not directing this at you, think assembling a roster is as easy as plugging stats into a spread sheet. The good GMs are the ones that balance both and build teams with the right complimentary pieces. That's what wins championships.

Say in four years,Kreider is your second line LW, maybe 3rd line, is that really a bad thing come playoff time?

Not at all, but I’m also operating under the assumption he’d cost more than $6.5 with clauses factored. Guess we’ll wait and see.

 

[Kovalev27]

kakko kravtsov buchnevich are locks as 3 of your top 4 wingers for the next while. are you getting panarin? If so you probably should trade CK. if you're passing on panarin you should probably keep him. things have changed since the draft lottery for sure. going to be very interesting come draft day

 

[kovazub94]

By the way, the Rangers 2016 draft is now:

#27 Brett Howden
#37 Libor Hajek
#49 Ryan Lindgren
#66 Adam Fox
#81 Sean Day
#98 Tarmo Reunanen
#133 Yegor Rykov
#141 Tim Gettinger
#171 Gabriel Fontaine
#174 Tyler Wall
#201 Ty Ronning

The active rebuilding stage of drafting our own picks and using vets to add picks and prospects might have only started last year, but in terms of development arcs, the rebuild clearly starts with that draft. Goes to my way of looking at it, which is that the rebuild is 3 years in and is about to conduct its 4th draft.

Any high-level redraft view out there?

 

[Fitzy]

No to Zibanejad, he’s part of the solution and he’s looking fairly elite.

74 points last year, add Panarin to his line, and add Kakko or another highly potent offensive forward, what do you think he does now?

It's hard to predict line chemistry. Ideally his production would improve, but everyone expected Jagr and Gomez/Drury to click. He had a pretty uniquely good connection with Kreider.

I don't think anyone in the organization is considering trading Zibanejad, so I wouldn't worry.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Not at all, but I’m also operating under the assumption he’d cost more than $6.5 with clauses factored. Guess we’ll wait and see.

I'd say if he asks for anything more than that (maybe $7 per but for less years) than he's probably priced himself out and played his last game for the Rangers.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

kakko kravtsov buchnevich are locks as 3 of your top 4 wingers for the next while. are you getting panarin? If so you probably should trade CK. if you're passing on panarin you should probably keep him. things have changed since the draft lottery for sure. going to be very interesting come draft day

I don't know if they're locks, especially next year, two would be fantastic. I wouldn't even be surprised if Buch gets moved. But at least this move makes sense in regards to Kreider. I don't know if signing Panarin is the right move or not but at least you're trading him to make room for a legitimate, established player. Better than the 15th pick and some B prospect.

 

[kovazub94]

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If he is two-way, as advertised, the size becomes less of an issue.

If NYR go in on Trouba, which I truly think is a possibility, then you're going to see some movement from the rest of the defense.

Disagree. Yeah, on a given night a right side of 5'10''-6'0'' D with a couple of them being a solid two-way defensemen should be fine. But it will not stay the pressure of physicality of a long play-off series. IMHO, no matter how physical these guys are style wise - as a group they will be pounded into submission at some point during a prolonged playoff run.

 

[Perratrooper]

Wouldn’t be enough to get a deal done. A lot more would have to be added at which point it would likely not be worth it from our side.

It's interesting to see such large different opinions of Zbads value. For example you believe NYR would have to add where another poster suggested 4th overall, 16th overall and Kaut isn't enough to get Zbad. I should clarify I am coming here as an Avs fan, but I wouldn't imagine it would cost much more in fact I think it would be some minor pick swapping.

Completely understand not wanting to trade him in order to help other players to develop in a better position, but just thought I'd test the waters on where NYR were standing.

Thanks for all the feedback guys!

 

[RangerBoy]

Ryan Callahan: The moment coaches told Callahan that he was the team’s 13th forward, everyone could see the writing on the wall that this would likely be his last season with the Lightning. “It doesn’t take a scientist to figure that out,” Callahan admitted. It’s hard to justify paying the team’s 13th forward $5.8 million, which is Callahan’s cap hit in the final year of his contract. The Lightning will likely try to trade him before the draft, as they’ll probably need to add a pick or prospect to the deal for a team to take on that salary (maybe the Rangers or Buffalo?). Callahan has a 15-team modified trade list. If not, Callahan is expected to get bought out, as the Lightning need all the cap space they can find for Point’s contract and other looming extensions.

Tampa Bay Lightning roster: Who is staying and who is going...

If Jeff Gorton can get Turcotte, Zegras or Caufield for Kreider, Dolan should build a statue of Gorton and put it outside of Madison Square Garden. Right in front on 7th Avenue just outside the lobby.

Good luck with that. Kreider has just one more season remaining on his contract. If Gorton can get what Boston got for Lucic who had one season left on his contract, he should take it and run. 13th pick overall in 2005, Colin Miller and Martin Jones.

Caufield might go 6th to the Red Wings. Craig Custance spoke to Steve Yzerman at the U18. He really likes Caufield or Podkolzin if he drops. The Russian has two more seasons on his KHL contract. It's one or two seasons. Some people say one and some people say two.

 

[NYR Viper]

Bring Callahan back and get that TB pick changed from their 2nd to their 1st. Done deal. Callahan will be a useful 4th liner for a year. Trade him at the deadline to a contender. That makes too much sense for both sides

 

[Fitzy]

Bring Callahan back and get that TB pick changed from their 2nd to their 1st. Done deal. Callahan will be a useful 4th liner for a year. Trade him at the deadline to a contender. That makes too much sense for both sides

Kind of unimportant, but I wonder if they would give Callahan back the captaincy in that scenario.

I'd rather give it to someone like Zibanejad, but maybe.

 

[NYR Viper]

Kind of unimportant, but I wonder if they would give Callahan back the captaincy in that scenario.

I'd rather give it to someone like Zibanejad, but maybe.

I would doubt it, considering he would be around for only half a year most likely. I wouldn't be surprised if Staal gets it.

 

[ETTER DE]

Quinn is handling ADA very well so far.

I was just joking about trading DeAngelo to Carolina. A poster called him a jerk. After Cherry called the Hurricanes players "a bunch of jerks", the Hurricanes made t-shirts with the print "bunch of jerks" on the front.

 

[LORDE]

Bring Callahan back and get that TB pick changed from their 2nd to their 1st. Done deal. Callahan will be a useful 4th liner for a year. Trade him at the deadline to a contender. That makes too much sense for both sides

Except this has been posted 1000 times on the main boards and has been routinely shot down.

Now yes, I do know that fans don't make the trades, GMs do but it has been ROUTINELY shot down

 

[TheBloodyNine]

He would have scored 32-35 goals this past season if he didn't play through that injury. I think if he has a healthy season without the uncertainty of a trade or something, he can put up 35 easy. 40 goals I definitely don't think so. He clearly has the potential to be that good, but how to bring it out? Maybe coach Quinn, maybe giving him a captaincy, idk. Ideally, we can get him to sign a 4-5 year contract. I'd be more than happy to trade him for a top 10 pick, but not top 15, that is just not worth it to me unless we are sure his next contract is really going to **** us.

He scored 28 and disappeared for long stretches of time before his injury. Saying "he would have" is meaningless and the way he played even sans injury leads to the conclusion that he wouldn't have. Kreider is what he is at this point. Unless he's gonna be playing with a guy like McDavid he's a guy that will flirt with 30 every year, but also disappear for long stretches of time.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Except this has been posted 1000 times on the main boards and has been routinely shot down.

Now yes, I do know that fans don't make the trades, GMs do but it has been ROUTINELY shot down

Certainly the GMs on the main boards speak truth for their teams at all times, and always get things right.

 

[LORDE]

Certainly the GMs on the main boards speak truth for their teams at all times, and always get things right.

Did u read entire post? I said specifically that fans don't make the trades... but there are some fans who don't wear rose colored glasses, at all costs standing up for their team and doing their best "We hang up immediately. Good luck with that" Charade.

They're out there. They're on this board too rooting for the NYR

Doesn't make them less informed. But hey I'm all for taking Cally back for a yr for their 1st. If it happens, great. I've read lots of other options.

 

[kovazub94]

Kind of unimportant, but I wonder if they would give Callahan back the captaincy in that scenario.

I'd rather give it to someone like Zibanejad, but maybe.

Maybe as in 10% chance or less. Staal is a fine (de facto) captain. Zibanejad should have it.