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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV

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Edge said:
There’s also the matter of JP sliding heading into the draft. Initially from two to three in most eyes, and then eventually to fourth.

Then there’s the matter of his struggles at the AHL level. A lot of people interested in JP tend to gloss over this aspect and make it sound like he’s simply struggled at the NHL. On the contrary he’s struggled to be a driver at the AHL level as well. So we’re not even talking about a scenario like Chytil, or even the much-beleaguered Andersson where they’re trying to convert to the last stop on their journey.

Edmonton has been a **** show for a while, I get that. But JP’s struggles run a bit deeper than that. Based on some of the comments I’ve seen on here concerning our own prospects, JP and the Rangers would’ve been roasted alive by some of the same people who are really intrigued by this possibility.

JP still holds a degree of appeal. But no one should assume this simply an “Edmonton thing.” If JP is going to carve out a niche, let alone touch past projections, there is still a lot of work to be done and a number of concerns.
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People complain about Strome, who cost Ryan f-ing Spooner. Predicting that HFNYR will complain about a player is like predicting the sun will rise tomorrow.
 
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DutchShamrock said:
People complain about Strome, who cost Ryan f-ing Spooner. Predicting that HFNYR will complain about a player is like predicting the sun will rise tomorrow.
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I think there are some guys who tend to really inspire stronger doses of those feelings. Typically higher expectations is one of those combustible elements that can really cause people to passionately turn. And once they turn, it’s like a pit bull, they make it their primary focus to make sure everyone knows how displeased they are.
 
Would have liked to take a chance on Fabbri



deal is salary neutral, both are pending RFAs. Similar age.
 
SA16 said:
JP actually has really good results with McDavid despite being yanked around as a teenager and while you may say he’s McDavid anyone can perform there well that’s not really the case. Alex Chiasson has got a lot of ice time with him the last two years and not be produced at all.
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But that's not true, Alex chassion scored 22 goals last year primarily on his wing in 73 games. His previous career high was 12 goals in 81 games. The comparisons were made that chassion may be the kunitz to mcjesus' Crosby. While certain players may mesh better w elite players, those elite players do tend to raise the level of linemates in general.

I think while discussing jp and Edmonton sometimes we lose the total picture since it's a West coast team and we aren't as connected to it. Maybe sometimes we are more optimistic on the potential of the player we don't know as well versus the frustrations with our player that we do know.

There were reports at one point via Canadian media (studio chat) that mcjesus did not want jp on his wing. That may have played a role in things or possibly not. It may have just been speculation as well, although I do remember the discussion on a post game segment.
 
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KreiderBomb said:
Same here.
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Fabbri has history with Bertuzzi in Guelph. Detroit must be banking on that. They probably called St. Louis, but couldn’t they have done better than de la Rose? Is de la Rose much better than Nieves or Lettieri who have already cleared waivers?
 
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bleedblue94 said:
But that's not true, Alex chassion scored 22 goals last year primarily on his wing in 73 games. His previous career high was 12 goals in 81 games. The comparisons were made that chassion may be the kunitz to mcjesus' Crosby. While certain players may mesh better w elite players, those elite players do tend to raise the level of linemates in general.

I think while discussing jp and Edmonton sometimes we lose the total picture since it's a West coast team and we aren't as connected to it. Maybe sometimes we are more optimistic on the potential of the player we don't know as well versus the frustrations with our player that we do know.

There were reports at one point via Canadian media (studio chat) that mcjesus did not want jp on his wing. That may have played a role in things or possibly not. It may have just been speculation as well, although I do remember the discussion on a post game segment.
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Yes it is true. Chiassons results with McDavid are atrocious. Look it up on NST in the teammates tab I can’t get them right now. (*3 goals 5 assists in 310 mins) Many of his goals were on the PP. He scored something like 1.2 pts/60 with him, the line had a terrible CF%, and scored less in general.
 
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J.P was never given a chance in Edmonton. They needed him to be a 30 goal scorer right away and he wasnt ready for that. I'd take a gamble on him, Holland's ask early on wasnt realistic, once it gets closer to dec 1 we will see some movement on him. Edmonton needs the return for him asap. We have a lot of guys that arent in this teams future plans for one reason or another, if we can make the deal on those types and non top 2 round draft picks in say do it.
 
haohmaru said:
Tell you what, when you look past all the eye candy (Kakko, Panarin, Fox, etc...) the guy that's quietly taken a huge step this year is Buchnevich. Battle level, defensively, etc - really happy with him this year to this point.
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American Buch FTW
 
pld459666 said:
Love that Strome is having a monster season while still being early.

The kid is showing he can play with elite talent and not drag them down.

I'd trade him for the right offer, but hes a player that could do well for himself here beyond this season
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I've been a Strome supporter and have been nothing but pleased with his performance. And while acknowledging it is very early, I still tend to think the best move is to trade him for assets before he needs a new contract this summer. Kind of like the Hayes situation. Not a knock on the player, just too much money in a cap league.

We have to roll the dice that Chytil will be the guy next year. We can't afford an insurance policy at his ticket. I know he can slot in at the wing, but same argument.
 
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A second order effect of this trade is the Blues have lost Tarasenko and now Steen to injuries, and have traded Fabbri. They’ve largely replaced those minutes with checkers MacEachern, Blais and now de la Rose. Their scoring ability is going to take a hit. For defending Stanley Cup champs, they can’t afford to wait until TDL to pick up someone like Kreider.
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
The person I was quoting was talking about "dominating". Puljujarvi didn't dominate Liiga at age 18
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I said he is "currently torching" a pro league. Unless he is currently 18 years old I'm not sure what his results 3 years ago have anything to do with my statement. He's playing well in that league now. That's a good thing. If he wasn't it would be a major issue. Would Lias be producing at such a high levels in Sweden? Maybe, maybe not.
 
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