Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Wait...this is a thing? Really?

Just when I thought it could not possibly get any crazier. Then I read this. Mind boggling.

Come on. Pasha, is that you after all these years?

What am I not reading?

 

[NernieBichols]

I don't know, I don't think they are built to win in the playoffs, but then again, they were one game away last time. IMO they need to learn how to win, and that means defending as a 5 man unit. Their personnel doesn't support that, so they run and gun.

This has been the case for 2 offseasons and dubas/shanahan have quite literally doubled down on it by bringing in barrie with Kadri’s currency this summer. It’s one thing to be playing with what your cap restrictions make you play with, but when you use your cap room and trade currency to bring in a player who was obviously gonna further their: heavy on the offense so hopefully we don’t have to defend at all. It was arrogant when they are blind to the fact that all that can be negated with simple hockey 101: the dump and chase.

Any casual fan could have told dubas/shanahan this

 

[SA16]

Trading Trouba? Don’t make me laugh. That’s like asking to trade Zibanejad. They are both pillars at their position.

They traded their 1C 3 years ago with four years left on his deal.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Pulju to me seems as dumb as a box of rocks. Wouldn't want him in any case.

Trouba is our best defenseman (eye test and adv. stats wise) and 25 years old. Whoever got the idea to trade him, should lose that idea.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

The reality of the RD situation is DeAngelo is *probably* the odd man out in a year or two.

Which, if he continues to play well, means the Rangers will get something really great back for him. So it's a win regardless

 

[True Blue]

What am I not reading?

Just go back a few pages. We are now trading Trouba for a center and are trying to entice Edmonton to trade us that stalwart Jesse Puljuarvi by starting the negotiations by offering Kreider and then adding .

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Just go back a few pages. We are now trading Trouba for a center and are trying to entice Edmonton to trade us that stalwart Jesse Puljuarvi by starting the negotiations by offering Kreider and then adding .

oh.

 

[Avery16]

you very clearly proposed trading Trouba. Why you continue to draw attn to it that I don’t understand.

What was the trade proposal??

 

[Waivers]

They traded their 1C 3 years ago with four years left on his deal.

Who? Stepan? You know the joke around the league is that he was not a true 1C. He is a great defensive Centerman who could not crack 60, hence why the Rangers dumped him.

 

[RGY]

The reality of the RD situation is DeAngelo is *probably* the odd man out in a year or two.

Which, if he continues to play well, means the Rangers will get something really great back for him. So it's a win regardless

And him being the odd man out means that one or both of Keane and Lundkvist forced that situation. So you get cheaper on D with the cap by having those two while selling high on ADA. Replenish the farm so there is a constant cycle of talent to flow through as older players move out.


Also...LOL comparing Trouba and Zibanejad to Stepan. Love Stepan but he does not bring to the table what those two do.

 

[True Blue]

oh.

Yeah.........

 

[True Blue]

And him being the odd man out means that one or both of Keane and Lundkvist forced that situation. So you get cheaper on D with the cap by having those two while selling high on ADA. Replenish the farm so there is a constant cycle of talent to flow through as older players move out.

I do not think that the Rangers are going to be looking to trade DeAngelo. Not saying they won't, but he was specifically targeted by Gorton. As of today, then can resign him. Yes, it would be great of players like you name can force the issue, but that is not in the near to mid term. Far greater chance that Deangelo is playing and it is one of the prospects who gets dealt.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Gorton targeting DeAngelo means nothing. DeAngelo was just the first player the Coyotes said yes too. Gorton asked for other players before they landed on DeAngelo

And DeAngelo is going to want big money sooner rather than later. Sign him to a bridge and re-evaluate in a year or two. Gives plenty of time to see what you have in your RD prospects

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Who? Stepan? You know the joke around the league is that he was not a true 1C. He is a great defensive Centerman who could not crack 60, hence why the Rangers dumped him.

He would’ve broken 60 a bunch if AV played him more than 18 minutes a game, but that’s what happens when you roll all 4 lines as even as he did

 

[Edge]

Bottom line is I don't think the Rangers, having achieved some stability on the right side of their defense, are looking to trade someone who eats up 24 minutes a night, is only 25 years old, and whom they just extended.

Beyond that, I don't see them moving said player for a second line center.

Could they do it? Yes, in the a universe of infinite possibilities they certainly could. But I just don't see it happening, and frankly, don't see the value at this point in time.

 

[Waivers]

There is no one on the RD pipeline who is as solid as a rock as Trouba -- no one. He has tremendous shutdown ability which seems to be underrated on the message boards for whatever reason.

 

[Good Intentions]

I get it Lias hasnt been scoring so he must not be good right. Because otherwise I am not sure what you are basing your personal grades on. He has played physical. He has looked quicker on the forecheck this year. He has been defensively responsible and has done his job on the PK. He is getting very limited 4th line minutes with guys who are barely NHL players themselves. I mean what in the hell do you expect? He makes sound plays even with guys who handle the puck like its a hot potato. Thats great youve been watching for 29 years but it clearly hasnt done you any favors in being more astute in evaluating a player.

And then you took a step further and threw a jab at Buchnevich. The guy may never be a 1st line winger. He may only be a 2nd line-3rd line tweener, but he had his best season last year statistically and he is off to a good start this year in that department. His all around game is improving, doesnt mean he will win a selke, but it is improving. He is 24 years old.

Spare me. Buchnevich is consistently inconsistent. No doubt he has some ability. I can reel off a laundry list of KHL stars that just did not make it as IMPACT top-6 guys - and there’s nothing wrong with that. As for Lias, his skill-set is not unique. He was a mistake, it happens.

 

[East Coast Bias]

Who? Stepan? You know the joke around the league is that he was not a true 1C. He is a great defensive Centerman who could not crack 60, hence why the Rangers dumped him.

They traded him bc a cap crunch was coming, and his NTC was going to kick in, which would have limited their options and hurt his value. In a world with no one having NTC/NMC, it might have played out differently.

The idea of a point threshold being a barometer of value is dumb. 3-4 less points per season for a player isn't the difference in whether you trade him or not.

 

[Edge]

Spare me. Buchnevich is consistently inconsistent. No doubt he has some ability. I can reel off a laundry list of KHL stars that just did not make it as IMPACT top-6 guys - and there’s nothing wrong with that. As for Lias, his skill-set is not unique. He was a mistake, it happens.

At this point I think we've descended into a Shatner-esque level of self-parody.

 

[JimmyG89]

Trouba is leading a defense that has 3 rookies currently on it, and on top of that, the other two guys are DeAngelo and Skjei. It's not like it's a veteran laden roster. DeAngelo only established himself last season and it wasn't the whole year. We know the rollercoaster that Skjei can be, so he's the only established defender we have that can be relied upon. The rest are prone to inconsistency.

There is a 0% chance they would be willing to move him right now.

 

[Waivers]

They traded him bc a cap crunch was coming, and his NTC was going to kick in, which would have limited their options and hurt his value. In a world with no one having NTC/NMC, it might have played out differently.

The idea of a point threshold being a barometer of value is dumb. 3-4 less points per season for a player isn't the difference in whether you trade him or not.

That goes without saying though, or I would imagine anyway. As I stated earlier, he was a great Centerman but due to cap constraints, he is part of the equation as a causality. The organization knew we did not have the assets to continue down the path to be successful one day. Rangers have a true 1C in Zibanejad at a fantastic cap hit.

 

[Edge]

There is no one on the RD pipeline who is as solid as a rock as Trouba -- no one. He has tremendous shutdown ability which seems to be underrated on the message boards for whatever reason.

One of the things that can often get lost is that the reason why players excel in supporting roles, especially when they're younger, is because the roles are exactly that --- SUPPORT.

Finding a RHD who is going to eat 24 minutes a night against the NHL's best is not an easy hole to fill.

One of the elements a guy like Trouba brings, that doesn't necessarily show up on a stat sheet, is that the other defensive pieces kind of fall-in around him. If one guy eating up tough minutes and "only" netting 40 points allows the guy who hits the ice right after him to clean up and score 60 points, then so be it. That's the essence of building a team. And there's nothing wrong with having specialists on the team who come into situations where they can enjoy a favorable match-up.

So again, could the Rangers go down this path? Sure. But I don't really see a reason to. I suspect they want to see if Chytil can grab the bull by the horns and solve their second line problem, and see if they can find some stability on the left side of the defense. I don't see them tinkering with what is shaping up to be a very talented, and maturing, right side.

 

[RGY]

I do not think that the Rangers are going to be looking to trade DeAngelo. Not saying they won't, but he was specifically targeted by Gorton. As of today, then can resign him. Yes, it would be great of players like you name can force the issue, but that is not in the near to mid term. Far greater chance that Deangelo is playing and it is one of the prospects who gets dealt.

I am ok with this too. Prospects are cool, parades are cooler. The point is we cannot be in love with every prospect and expect them to displace the guys who have made the jump to the NHL and established themselves. If Tony D is a part of the success of this team then he should be here.

 

[Good Intentions]

At this point I think we've descended into a Shatner-esque level of self-parody.

we can agree to disagree on this.

topic aside, I think you’re one of the best here @Edge

 

[Edge]

Another thing to keep in mind is that there's a potential vs. production balance to weigh.

Guys like Lundkvist, Keane, etc. have potential, but when you have young, productive players who are proving they can translate their games to the NHL level, things get a little complicated.

A team waits years to see if prospects can indeed become players, so when they see guys at 24 and 25 who are hitting their stride, there's going to be a reluctance to trade that for the hope that maybe someone else can reach that level, several years down the line.

Right now we have a trio of skilled RHD who are 25, 24 and 21 respectively. The Rangers have made significant investments in all three, and all three are doing well.

It's likely the Rangers first choice is to deal from a position of depth and potential, rather than from a position where they are receiving returns on their investment.

I say that because we are a prospect-driven board, and so there's tendency to value potential over what we have. At some point, some of the promising young kids in the system are likely going to be moved for more immediate help. Especially if there are already productive young player filling spots at the NHL level.

Just something we need to keep on our radar as we discover our favorite prospects. Some of "our boys" will be traded before they ever really play for us. We all know that, but disappointment is going to be inevitable to an extent.