Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV

[bobbop]

I remember during his draft year reading that his junior teammates hated his guts - no idea how accurate that is but I suppose it's possible he has a bit of a 'tude.

Found this from last year by Josh Yohe at The Athletic

The Penguins think Sprong has a bit of an attitude problem and a bit of a maturity problem, so they're making him pay his dues in Wilkes-Barre. It's nothing serious. He's not a bad kid. Just has a different personality.

 

[East Coast Bias]

Nor sure I buy that, though it could be true. I think it simply has to do with owners thinking that they can bring in new viewers with less violence. More tv revenue with more goals and less fighting. The NHL owners are no different than the NFL owners. It's not the players health that they are concerned with. It's the money. It's always all about the money. Cash rules everything around me.

What you do have now, are people interpreting metrics to mean that physical play actually makes you a worse player. But that is a whole other discussion.

I don't necessarily agree with this. For the past few years, nearly all under AV, we've been a finesse team with a token tough guy who sucks at hockey thrown in. It was never changing the team dynamic or making us hard to play against. It never fit. It's the same story with McLeod now. He doesn't do hockey things well. It's not an analytics thing. People hating on McLeod can't be blamed on analytics. He's just a terrible player. I don't think anyones gonna complain if we found someone for the 4th line that played a real physical game and was not killing the team.

 

[East Coast Bias]

It’s always about the money in the end, ain’t it?

It always is. It's the same in the NFL.

We're not far removed from YOU GOT JACKED UP! on espn, right? A matter of a few years even. Now it's a vastly different officiated league. Part of it is liability of brain injuries, but the other side is that the NFL realized with the explosion of fantasy football that people didn't want 13-10 ground and pound fests. They love shootouts.

 

[Do you want ants]

He has done it all year this year, under AV he was useless but this coach appreciates a gritty game. Cody leads the league in fights with 4 and he was 3rd last year so I'm not sure why you think he rarely fights anyone who takes liberties, he isnt pulling these fights out of the air.

He fought Clifford and Beaulieu. I don’t count preseason Bc there are usually some AHL fighters up trying to prove themselves. I’ll give him credit for the Beaulieu fight Bc that game and timing actually warranted it. But most of his fights are pretty pointless.

I have no problem with fighting. I’d just rather have someone that can actually play and play a physical game. Instead we have a guy doing nothing if he’s not fighting. I give Quinn far more credit for this teaming more physical than McLeod.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Of course, 35 for Dawes didn't even make the top 10 in the league while Sprong was one off of the league lead. Different era, even more so in the A than the NHL.

Good point, didn’t realize the goal differential difference between then and now.

What would you think would be a good base if were trading for him?

 

[Avery16]

Here’s a way-back question out of nowhere- why didn’t we hang on to Per Djoos? It seems like he would have come in very handy back in 1996-7

 

[Edge]

Found this from last year by Josh Yohe at The Athletic

Those issues have followed him for a while.

Very few people doubt Sprong’s natural ability. The questions usually center on whether it’s enough to overcome the multiple areas he’s lacking — maturity, an ability to blend in a team environment, and commitment to areas of the game that don’t involve offense, etc.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Those issues have followed him for a while.

Very few people doubt Sprong’s natural ability. The questions usually center on whether it’s enough to overcome the multiple areas he’s lacking — maturity, an ability to blend in a team environment, and commitment to areas of the game that don’t involve offense, etc.

......JT Miller?

 

[Edge]

......JT Miller?

Miller was an interesting case because his MO as a teenager was that he was still putting the pieces together, but was usually willing.

The other stuff didn’t really seem to surface until later. But even then, I think Miller was somewhat able to mask it because he engaged in other activities people took notice of — occasionally dropping the gloves, playing with a chip on his shouldsr, etc.

In many ways, that’s some of what the metric crowd is often trying to point to when they talk about how people can be deceived by the eye tests. And they do have a point.

 

[brians1128]

Those issues have followed him for a while.

Very few people doubt Sprong’s natural ability. The questions usually center on whether it’s enough to overcome the multiple areas he’s lacking — maturity, an ability to blend in a team environment, and commitment to areas of the game that don’t involve offense, etc.

Id love to take a swing at him for a deal using Vesey. Rutherford was on TV complaining about work ethic and people riding their stars. I'm not the biggest Vesey fan but he does work hard and can put up 20 plus goals with a good playmaker while still leaving you wanting more bc his hands are not the best

 

[Edge]

Id love to take a swing at him for a deal using Vesey. Rutherford was on TV complaining about work ethic and people riding their stars. I'm not the biggest Vesey fan but he does work hard and can put up 20 plus goals with a good playmaker while still leaving you wanting more bc his hands are not the best

Sprong is intriguing.

I think he tends to come up on here more because he was the home run swing people wanted to take in that draft — and he was worth the swing.

 

[bobbop]

Good point, didn’t realize the goal differential difference between then and now.

What would you think would be a good base if were trading for him?

I just don’t know. I’ve only seen the Penguins play once this year but from what I gather, they want a puck moving defenseman. Not sure we have pieces we are willing to move that would satisfy them.

 

[bobbop]

Those issues have followed him for a while.

Very few people doubt Sprong’s natural ability. The questions usually center on whether it’s enough to overcome the multiple areas he’s lacking — maturity, an ability to blend in a team environment, and commitment to areas of the game that don’t involve offense, etc.

With our young emerging core (vs. Pittsburgh’s older veteran core) I’d take my chances that he might be a better fit here.

And I love that right hand shot.

 

[Edge]

With our young emerging core (vs. Pittsburgh’s older veteran core) I’d take my chances that he might be a better fit here.

And I love that right hand shot.

And I think the Rangers are in a prime position to take those kinds of chances if the price is right.

If you’re going to roll the dice, at least let ‘em roll when there’s a legit prize to be won.

 

[BBKers]

To win for Quinn is a sin
Just choose to lose for Hughes
But Hank won´t tank
And that deal We all feel
Will make our Cup dreams for real
Is a mirage
So We settle for booze and the Blues...

 

[Ola]

Here’s a way-back question out of nowhere- why didn’t we hang on to Per Djoos? It seems like he would have come in very handy back in 1996-7

Probably a mix of skating issues and PD not being willing to pay his dues.

PD was a really smart D though.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

That's how you saw it? Seriously?

Yup even Oshie said it after the game that he thought Malkin was just bracing for a hit.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

He fought Clifford and Beaulieu. I don’t count preseason Bc there are usually some AHL fighters up trying to prove themselves. I’ll give him credit for the Beaulieu fight Bc that game and timing actually warranted it. But most of his fights are pretty pointless.

I have no problem with fighting. I’d just rather have someone that can actually play and play a physical game. Instead we have a guy doing nothing if he’s not fighting. I give Quinn far more credit for this teaming more physical than McLeod.

Has he been any less effective than Letterri? If I had to pick one over the other for bringing something to the ice I'd take MacLeod.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Buddy of mine played with sprong and Hischier. It was when Hischier first came on the scene and i was saying it must be nice to play with Sprong and he wasnt all that impressed but kept talking about Hischier, I was thinking he was nuts but maybe not lol.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

So back to my original question (I'm not around here to post consistently anymore since the new job and fall=busy time).

How do you all plan to add Panarin and/or Karlson, plus resign Hayes. In my sassy Aretha Franklin voice (RIP) "Oh, and where's that cap room honey?"

Buying out Staal is a cop out and a Macguffin. It serves no real purpose and his buyout cap hit + Girardi's the next two years is over $6 million....yikes.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

So back to my original question (I'm not around here to post consistently anymore since the new job and fall=busy time).
How do you all plan to add Panarin and/or Karlson, plus resign Hayes. In my sassy Aretha Franklin voice (RIP) "Oh, and where's that cap room honey?"

Buying out Staal is a cop out and a Macguffin. It serves no real purpose and his buyout cap hit + Girardi's the next two years is over $6 million....yikes.

Keeping him and Girardi's hit is even more.

Hayes isn't staying.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Keeping him and Girardi's hit is even more.

Hayes isn't staying.

Staal's cap hit for one more year isn't great but not having those two running side by side for the next 3-4 years when this team is ready to be a serious threat again.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Staal's cap hit for one more year isn't great but not having those two running side by side for the next 3-4 years when this team is ready to be a serious threat again.

Staal's cap hit for the next 2 years after this one sucks.

He will be bought out as he should. Hes a horrendous hockey player.

Having those 2 contracts run side by side will be fine as the cap figures to keep going up.

 

[lucky13]

This what I want. Please make happen:

Kreider zibby panarin
Nylander lias zucc
Kravtsov chytil buch
Vesey Namestnikov fast

Skjei pionk
Skjei pionk
Skjei hajek

Henrik

How do the Rangers add Nylander to the team while still keeping all our top prospects?

I’m not interested in giving TML what it would take to get him in NY

 

[Tawnos]

How do the Rangers add Nylander to the team while still keeping all our top prospects?

I’m not interested in giving TML what it would take to get him in NY

Why does Toronto want prospects?