Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV (To trade or not to trade is the question)

[JohnC]

Lavi’s a real big man for scratching old man Jonny Brodz. Just stop.

 

[Machinehead]

I mean, Kreider and ZIbanejad really took it on the chin last game in terms of their ice time. The only problem was defaulting back to them for the 6v5.

All told, though, Mika played 10 minutes at 5v5 on Sunday. That's pretty out there.

It's not like nothing has been done.

Other young guys took a lot of those minutes. Kakko needs to do something when he's out there like they did to earn those minutes.

 

[Kocur Dill]

Looking forward to his riveting 12 minutes with 0 points, 0 shots, and a 0 +/- in response.

Watch him turn the tables, play zero defence, hang the red line, and take 4g to the hole like Shaq tonight.

 

[effen]

Give us your “memo” effen

By the trade deadline I will delete Tob's account.

 

[McRanger92]

I mean, Kreider and ZIbanejad really took it on the chin last game in terms of their ice time. The only problem was defaulting back to them for the 6v5.

All told, though, Mika played 10 minutes at 5v5 on Sunday. That's pretty out there.

It's not like nothing has been done.

Other young guys took a lot of those minutes. Kakko needs to do something when he's out there like they did to earn those minutes.

I dont like Kakko but his line as been excellent all year keeping pucks out of their own net. The fact that is handwaved as "nothing" is a pretty big issue with the coaching staff or whoever is making these decisions.. The rest of the roster spends most of their night digging pucks out of Igors net.

 

[bigdog16]

I mean, Kreider and ZIbanejad really took it on the chin last game in terms of their ice time. The only problem was defaulting back to them for the 6v5.

All told, though, Mika played 10 minutes at 5v5 on Sunday. That's pretty out there.

It's not like nothing has been done.

Other young guys took a lot of those minutes. Kakko needs to do something when he's out there like they did to earn those minutes.

Exactly. Do something other than skate around the perimeter with the puck.

Go to the net, start a scrum, slash someone in calf, jab someone in the back. Let the other team know you're there. Get out of your comfort zone.

 

[will1066]

Watch him turn the tables, play zero defence, hang the red line, and take 4g to the hole like Shaq tonight.

I want an insane run from him like 5 GP 5 G 3 A 8 PTS -7

 

[TGWL]

Have we ever stopped to think about how ridiculous it is for a guy like Goodrow to get a NTC? Bottom 6 guys shouldn't be getting those contracts no matter how many rings are on his finger.

Coleman Goodrow and Gourde all cashed out and have shown zilch since.

Coleman had a good year last season. Gourde was probably going rate for at least half his contract, especially if you count in playoffs. He was slightly over paid. The real outliner is Goodrow who I agree didn't deserve that average cap hit/term, or the movement clauses. But that's on the organization. None of those guys deserve any trade protection but NHL GM's hand them out like candy.

 

[GAGLine]

Kakko himself is on a one-year deal.

And a pending RFA. Big difference.

 

[bhamill]

All three of them stink.

Literally people's only defense of Kakko at this point is "other guys are worse."

What does that tell you?

That tells me that people's defenses of Kreider and Mika are also worse...
And that's without even looking at their contracts or the fact that one is a 23yo and the other two are supposed to be the veteran leaders of the team.

Kakko is the misplaced deck chairs on the Titanic, 93, 20 and 55 are the hole in the hull... personally I don't think addressing the chairs should be the priority... but that's me.

 

[will1066]

Yup. He 100% bought himself into HFNYRB narrative that his 2OA selection is irrelevant.

" I'm just a middle-six grinder who doesn't bleed goals against. I'm valuable. "

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I mean, Kreider and ZIbanejad really took it on the chin last game in terms of their ice time. The only problem was defaulting back to them for the 6v5.

That’s a pretty big problem.

Doing this is basically attempting to send a message and then hitting them with the JK lolz!

It’s one thing if they had played well in their limited minutes but they didn’t even do that.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Are the Rangers special for having top 10 picks turn into busts? Andersson and krav were picked by a completely different GM and scouting director (Bobrov, who everyone on this board pretty much agrees is a moron). Do I think Kakko was mishandled early on? Yes, but again, that was Quinn playing him on the 3rd line and Gorton giving 20 million in cap space to wingers Panarin and Kreider despite having the 2nd overall pick.

Drury has attempted to augment a core that was in place before he got the job. There have been a mixed bag off moves. His best moves have been very good and his worst moves very bad. The win/loss record has been excellent during his tenure, firing him would not even be on anyones radar if the same roster was playing to standards it set over the past 3 years. The player's play on the ice has caused the turmoil. Not the GM.

We're the only one who had their gm welcome them to the USA by dressing them down in front of their teammates and consequently both those kids failed, coincidence, maybe, but it still doesn't make it the right way to deal with young or old players.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

The writing is 100% on the wall for Lavs now. And i think the vets are creating a bad room for the youth.

This is going to explode before the new year.


Lav has a choice. Bench vets and keep the youth (and maybe is his job) or go down with the vets.

He’s going down with the vets, why else would you put the scrubs of zibs krieder and so forth on for the final @2 min in the game?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Good for Kakko, Lavi sucks

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Lmao, how the f*** is Kreider not scratched. Completely useless at 5 on 5. Rather have rempe than him, they bring the same offense but Rempe has a pulse out there.

 

[Bob Richards]

I don’t even care if people think Kakko is good or not. Scratching him was a joke.

It’s the Simpsons joke. “We’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas!”

 

[Ruggs225]

Yeah and he's outplaying Gordie Howe because Gordie Howe's dead. What's your point?

He should never have been scratched. The rotten fish carcasses should have. Both of them.

He is not even remotely close to the reason why we are losing. He actually has been one of our better players.

It was a bullshit scratch, he knows it, the media knows it and hopefully drury knows it.

Kreiders last game here cant come fast enough.

If not bc he sucks now, than bc Lav cant just lean on him anymore and will force him to play younger guys in mor important spots and on the PP.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

The reality of that rumor is they dont like Drury so they are punishing the rest of us until Drury changes or leaves.

Drury doesn't lose anything from their poor play and disinterested demeanor.

We do. We lose a lot. On the ice. Our pocket books. Our energy. Our desire to watch. When they are like this, it's not too dissimilar to how the fans feel and how they feel.

So if that is what they are doing, that's a tough pill to swallow. I can't really support that. The fans don't deserve it. Sam. Joe. Everyone else in the org that invests their time, money, commitment, etc..

Not good.

Drury is gonna lose his job, he can't trade the whole team

 

[CLW]

Whether or not Kakko will reach his 2nd overall pick expectations is irrelevant. He's a good middle-6 player. In the right situation, he can score 60 points.

Tossing him aside because you are upset that he didn't reach his full potential seems pretty short-sighted.

I'm convinced if you went to the nearest zoo, picked up the biggest fattest Baboon you could find, gave that Baboon an office next the Dolan's office and employed a 24 year old curvaceous blonde to run ChapGPT for all major NYR decisions you'd be better off than what we've seen by NYR management for decades....

 

[Hire Sather]

Watched a video of Mika' G7 goal vs Pittsburgh.

He wins a puck along the boards, gets it back and scores. ES goal. Ties it with 5 left in the 3rd.

So hard to imagine him doing that now. And that wasn't even 2020 when he was really good.

 

[Kocur Dill]

I want an insane run from him like 5 GP 5 G 3 A 8 PTS -7

Gonna go Ralphie on Farkus from Christmas Story.

 

[Machinehead]

I dont like Kakko but his line as been excellent all year keeping pucks out of their own net. The fact that is handwaved as "nothing" is a pretty big issue with the coaching staff or whoever is making these decisions.. The rest of the roster spends most of their night digging pucks out of Igors net.

I don't disagree. The team sucks at defense and has had no accountability on their forwards playing defense since Torts.

You also can't just handwave how badly Kakko kills offensive possessions, and his bullshit turnovers were getting really bad leading up to the scratch, after a stretch of decent play.

It was coming, and I don't think anybody would think anything of it if they weren't more angry at other players. And those other players also got like half the ice time they normally do.

Which one was scratched and which one was benched feels like arguing over semantics. All of them have been disciplined and Kakko was among those that deserved it.

If anybody is absolutely getting away with murder, it's Lindgren, who gets to play 22 minutes with an all-world partner no matter what he does, but he doesn't have a NMC, so the solution to Lindgren is just fire him into the sun. That's on Drury.

 

[Profet]

Were you, like me, hired by Drury to use your shitposting powers to distract from the clusterf*ck unfolding around this team? If so, want to unionize?

Rats, I've been discovered.

 

[TGWL]

Did Goodrow asked for less money when he negotiated his contract with the Rangers?

You would like to think players ask for less money when negotiating clauses, or at least teams bring the price down, but I'm not even sure that's a thing that takes place all the time. Can you tell me Goodrow would have gotten more money without those movement clauses? I'd like to hope the answer is no because he shouldn't have gotten what he got even with the clauses.

Was Trouba going to get more money without the clauses? It doesn't seem like these clauses are really bring down prices.

Wait Kreider has 3 5v5 pts this year?!?

Lmao

Surprised he has any, right?

 

[bhamill]

We're the only one who had their gm welcome them to the USA by dressing them down in front of their teammates and consequently both those kids failed, coincidence, maybe, but it still doesn't make it the right way to deal with young or old players.

Did LAK and VAN also "dress them down" or did they stink on their own on those teams? Or did a few unkind words ruin them for their careers?