Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV (To trade or not to trade is the question)

[zlev]

Both players and staff are guilty

yeah i've said the roster isn't good enough either but i look at it and think it just cant be this bad.

 

[bernmeister]

have to try the staff first. that's easier and none of these guys are anything special. maybe the players really have just checked out on the coach, wouldn't be the first time Laviolette lost a team in his 2nd year.

no lose deadwood 1+ 2 Lindgren + Zib
yes, I know about the nmc, if he is forced to show up and sit and watch nite after nite after nite, he will capitulate at some pt, the sooner the better

we then see what the players show us
Fox needs to be sold high while that is still a thing

I'm ok w/moving on from Lavi b'c I think we can do better
BUT
I don't want it for the wrong reason, making players thing they can manipulate what's going on and avoid consequences

Bern Kakko isn’t Turning this ship around need new blood

I never said extreme of him single handedly turning the ship around
AND
he IS young and productive
he just can't do it all by himself
AND THERE IS NO REASON TO DEAL/BREAK UP
Cuylle - Chytil - KK

that's not hard to understand

I hate to say it, but the next move is to trade Kreider.

Moving one of the younger players won't carry the same message. K'Andre would net more in trade, but we literally don't have a replacement ready. He's our only potential top 4 LD. Trading Kakko doesn't send any kind of message. Blaming Kakko is like killing Jean Grey. It's been done so many times that the shock value is gone. Zib is (IMO) the biggest problem on the roster, but he is nigh untradeable with his contract, and we have no way to replace him, either in the system or via FA.

What's left? Trading Lindgren would send a message, but not a big one. I still think he gets moved if the team is out of the playoffs at the trade deadline, as I don't see them bringing him back. Then you have Kreider. Longest tenured Ranger. Plays the deepest position on the team in terms of vets, young roster players, AND pipeline (let's be real--with Laf, Panarin, Cuylle, Kakko, Perrault in the mix, Kreider shouldn't be playing top six or top PP). He'd be a shot across the bow of his buddy Zinanejad. His production has dried up, but his reputation and post-season play would still bring back value in a trade. It's the logical next move.

If the coach still needs to be changed after that, so be it, but then the remaining players know--if they try to torpedo the NEXT coach, they might be tossed first.

No for a # of reasons, but the biggest is to break Zib
ck plays, zib sits every fuggin game his back is up for it

break Mika break
Lindy should not wait, deall immediately

then we see...

 

[Shesterkybomb]

A new coach is needed, these guys have tuned out Laviolette. However I'd start moving the old leadership out, namely Kreider and hopefully Mika after that. These guys are coach killers imo. My reasoning is that every coach that comes in here runs the same pp, the same overall gameplay. Where does that come from? My guess the leadership group, coach comes in, says how did you guys have success before, well sir it's kreider mika bread and fox on the pp, and we love chasing guys around our own end, it's how we're used to playing. Ok, if that works for you guys we'll do that. Year and a half later, I'm sick of this coach, let's coast for a while until he gets canned.

 

[Boris Zubov]

yeah i've said the roster isn't good enough either but i look at it and think it just cant be this bad.

Our D corps currently has 2 AHLers, a guy who is a broken down mess & another young guy who never played regular NHL minutes til this season. Even with a healthy Miller, our defense is bottom 5 in the NHL.

Our top 6 refuses to stop playing pond hockey & is one of the slowest groups, if not the slowest in the league.

If anything the only thing that makes the team's record look halfway decent is the fast start we got off to when we played a bunch of doormats. This team is that bad.

 

[NYR Viper]

Yeah I don’t think it’s unreasonable to move players first and then find a new coach. I wouldn’t necessarily go hire a new coach and bring him in if I was going to immediately start moving out the veteran group of players. That’s not a good spot for any coach to walk in to and it’s not really fair to them.

I’m looking squarely at Kakko, Kreider and Smith.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Yeah I don’t think it’s unreasonable to move players first and then find a new coach. I wouldn’t necessarily go hire a new coach and bring him in if I was going to immediately start moving out the veteran group of players. That’s not a good spot for any coach to walk in to and it’s not really fair to them.

I’m looking squarely at Kakko, Kreider and Smith.

Could promote Peca to Interim through the changes. If he gets something going against all odds you keep him around. If not you hire one of the big names out there.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Maybe the drones are the prelude to the mothership arriving to abduct Zibanejad

Well they’re allegedly Iranian drones so it would make sense if they took Mika back since he’s like half Iranian

 

[grachevsceiling]

Can you elaborate?

From his post game article:

The hierarchy has no stomach to fire Laviolette after firing Gerard Gallant two years ago and David Quinn four years ago. There is no stomach to affix the blame on yet another coach instead of taking care of the coach-averse core.

Then he goes out of his way to mention Housley:

From Laviolette’s lips to his players’ closed ears.

What, by the way, is associate coach/defensive coordinator Phil Housley teaching?

 

[SA16]

Yeah I don’t think it’s unreasonable to move players first and then find a new coach. I wouldn’t necessarily go hire a new coach and bring him in if I was going to immediately start moving out the veteran group of players. That’s not a good spot for any coach to walk in to and it’s not really fair to them.

I’m looking squarely at Kakko, Kreider and Smith.

I actually do think it’s unreasonable to move the players before the coach. It’s a lot easier to change the coach. That could theoretically be done tomorrow. Moving multiple players is a complicated process that will not happen quickly. When has a team ever traded like 3 key players in the middle of the season in the span of a week excluding the deadline? Not saying it’s necessarily want to change the coach but if they want to make changes that’s a pretty easy and obvious starting points.

I’ve heard a lot of complaints about the man to man defense and if the coaches won’t change that strategy how will it change other than by changing the coach? That being said, people ALWAYS complain about man to man d.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

 

[McRanger92]

Kreider needs to go for a couple character defensive guys, preferably a D and a forward. Smith too which is easy enough id think.

They need to allow the youth to take over. I’m horrified by the play of Lafreniere. He’s checked out imo because he signed a contract to be “the guy” for the franchise, but a broken down Kreider and Zibanejad signed blood oaths to never come off the PP.

Drury needs to plant the seeds of a deadline trade in Panarin’s head. He would turn LAK into a big time threat in the west, with how they defend.