Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV (To trade or not to trade is the question)

[zlev]

Both players and staff are guilty

yeah i've said the roster isn't good enough either but i look at it and think it just cant be this bad.

 

[bernmeister]

have to try the staff first. that's easier and none of these guys are anything special. maybe the players really have just checked out on the coach, wouldn't be the first time Laviolette lost a team in his 2nd year.

no lose deadwood 1+ 2 Lindgren + Zib
yes, I know about the nmc, if he is forced to show up and sit and watch nite after nite after nite, he will capitulate at some pt, the sooner the better

we then see what the players show us
Fox needs to be sold high while that is still a thing

I'm ok w/moving on from Lavi b'c I think we can do better
BUT
I don't want it for the wrong reason, making players thing they can manipulate what's going on and avoid consequences

Bern Kakko isn’t Turning this ship around need new blood

I never said extreme of him single handedly turning the ship around
AND
he IS young and productive
he just can't do it all by himself
AND THERE IS NO REASON TO DEAL/BREAK UP
Cuylle - Chytil - KK

that's not hard to understand

I hate to say it, but the next move is to trade Kreider.

Moving one of the younger players won't carry the same message. K'Andre would net more in trade, but we literally don't have a replacement ready. He's our only potential top 4 LD. Trading Kakko doesn't send any kind of message. Blaming Kakko is like killing Jean Grey. It's been done so many times that the shock value is gone. Zib is (IMO) the biggest problem on the roster, but he is nigh untradeable with his contract, and we have no way to replace him, either in the system or via FA.

What's left? Trading Lindgren would send a message, but not a big one. I still think he gets moved if the team is out of the playoffs at the trade deadline, as I don't see them bringing him back. Then you have Kreider. Longest tenured Ranger. Plays the deepest position on the team in terms of vets, young roster players, AND pipeline (let's be real--with Laf, Panarin, Cuylle, Kakko, Perrault in the mix, Kreider shouldn't be playing top six or top PP). He'd be a shot across the bow of his buddy Zinanejad. His production has dried up, but his reputation and post-season play would still bring back value in a trade. It's the logical next move.

If the coach still needs to be changed after that, so be it, but then the remaining players know--if they try to torpedo the NEXT coach, they might be tossed first.

No for a # of reasons, but the biggest is to break Zib
ck plays, zib sits every fuggin game his back is up for it

break Mika break
Lindy should not wait, deall immediately

then we see...

 

[Shesterkybomb]

A new coach is needed, these guys have tuned out Laviolette. However I'd start moving the old leadership out, namely Kreider and hopefully Mika after that. These guys are coach killers imo. My reasoning is that every coach that comes in here runs the same pp, the same overall gameplay. Where does that come from? My guess the leadership group, coach comes in, says how did you guys have success before, well sir it's kreider mika bread and fox on the pp, and we love chasing guys around our own end, it's how we're used to playing. Ok, if that works for you guys we'll do that. Year and a half later, I'm sick of this coach, let's coast for a while until he gets canned.

 

[Boris Zubov]

yeah i've said the roster isn't good enough either but i look at it and think it just cant be this bad.

Our D corps currently has 2 AHLers, a guy who is a broken down mess & another young guy who never played regular NHL minutes til this season. Even with a healthy Miller, our defense is bottom 5 in the NHL.

Our top 6 refuses to stop playing pond hockey & is one of the slowest groups, if not the slowest in the league.

If anything the only thing that makes the team's record look halfway decent is the fast start we got off to when we played a bunch of doormats. This team is that bad.

 

[NYR Viper]

Yeah I don’t think it’s unreasonable to move players first and then find a new coach. I wouldn’t necessarily go hire a new coach and bring him in if I was going to immediately start moving out the veteran group of players. That’s not a good spot for any coach to walk in to and it’s not really fair to them.

I’m looking squarely at Kakko, Kreider and Smith.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Yeah I don’t think it’s unreasonable to move players first and then find a new coach. I wouldn’t necessarily go hire a new coach and bring him in if I was going to immediately start moving out the veteran group of players. That’s not a good spot for any coach to walk in to and it’s not really fair to them.

I’m looking squarely at Kakko, Kreider and Smith.

Could promote Peca to Interim through the changes. If he gets something going against all odds you keep him around. If not you hire one of the big names out there.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Maybe the drones are the prelude to the mothership arriving to abduct Zibanejad

Well they’re allegedly Iranian drones so it would make sense if they took Mika back since he’s like half Iranian

 

[grachevsceiling]

Can you elaborate?

From his post game article:

The hierarchy has no stomach to fire Laviolette after firing Gerard Gallant two years ago and David Quinn four years ago. There is no stomach to affix the blame on yet another coach instead of taking care of the coach-averse core.

Then he goes out of his way to mention Housley:

From Laviolette’s lips to his players’ closed ears.

What, by the way, is associate coach/defensive coordinator Phil Housley teaching?

 

[SA16]

Yeah I don’t think it’s unreasonable to move players first and then find a new coach. I wouldn’t necessarily go hire a new coach and bring him in if I was going to immediately start moving out the veteran group of players. That’s not a good spot for any coach to walk in to and it’s not really fair to them.

I’m looking squarely at Kakko, Kreider and Smith.

I actually do think it’s unreasonable to move the players before the coach. It’s a lot easier to change the coach. That could theoretically be done tomorrow. Moving multiple players is a complicated process that will not happen quickly. When has a team ever traded like 3 key players in the middle of the season in the span of a week excluding the deadline? Not saying it’s necessarily want to change the coach but if they want to make changes that’s a pretty easy and obvious starting points.

I’ve heard a lot of complaints about the man to man defense and if the coaches won’t change that strategy how will it change other than by changing the coach? That being said, people ALWAYS complain about man to man d.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

 

[McRanger92]

Kreider needs to go for a couple character defensive guys, preferably a D and a forward. Smith too which is easy enough id think.

They need to allow the youth to take over. I’m horrified by the play of Lafreniere. He’s checked out imo because he signed a contract to be “the guy” for the franchise, but a broken down Kreider and Zibanejad signed blood oaths to never come off the PP.

Drury needs to plant the seeds of a deadline trade in Panarin’s head. He would turn LAK into a big time threat in the west, with how they defend.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Well they’re allegedly Iranian drones so it would make sense if they took Mika back since he’s like half Iranian

A few of those UFOs are probably Mika clappers skied wide

 

[Guyute]

The next couple weren’t much better

My posts weren’t in either page awww yeeeah

The Rangers are 1-9-1 in game I’ve attended this year. Great times at MSG

 

[and 99 others]

You take a look at the composition of the team between the the President Trophy winning 2023-2024 Rangers and this monstrosity of a start; one of the most impactful roster changes was losing Erik Gustafsson.

He could eat minutes, knew when to join the rush at the right times (ahem Zac) and was solid defensively at winning puck battles and getting the puck out.

Everyone loves shitting on Lindgren but before his injuries in the playoffs and pre-season, he was the only defenseman on the Rangers last year consistently winning puck battles and getting it the f*** out of the zone when needed.

I'm not convinced in the slightest that this team is completely cooked, the last 12 minutes of the 2nd period today proved that.

Can we please get some NHL-caliber defensemen back into the lineup and see what happens?

 

[RangersFan1994]

A new coach is needed, these guys have tuned out Laviolette. However I'd start moving the old leadership out, namely Kreider and hopefully Mika after that. These guys are coach killers imo. My reasoning is that every coach that comes in here runs the same pp, the same overall gameplay. Where does that come from? My guess the leadership group, coach comes in, says how did you guys have success before, well sir it's kreider mika bread and fox on the pp, and we love chasing guys around our own end, it's how we're used to playing. Ok, if that works for you guys we'll do that. Year and a half later, I'm sick of this coach, let's coast for a while until he gets canned.

So the players can quit on every coach when they get tired of their message. Never getting benched by anyone not name Torts or AV. Yea no wonder why this team has not won since 1994 and did not do anything in the playoffs when they were in the playoffs. FIRE DRURY AND BRING IN SOMEONE WHO KNOWS HOW TO RUN AN ORGANIZATION EVEN IF HE HAS NO RANGERS TIES

 

[Alluckks]

You need to cull the rotten core and then bring in a new coach after there has been a changing of the guard in the locker room. It needs a full reset here.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Very odd theory….


Could the Rangers be playing like this because management wants them to do so, most likely trying to bring Perreault’s linemate Hagens to NYR


Hagens is a center, Rangers need…


#NYRTANKFORHAGENS

MOST LIKELY RANGERS WOULD HAVE #12 PICK RIGHT NOW

 

[Hire Sather]

You take a look at the composition of the team between the the President Trophy winning 2023-2024 Rangers and this monstrosity of a start; one of the most impactful roster changes was losing Erik Gustafsson.

He could eat minutes, knew when to join the rush at the right times (ahem Zac) and was solid defensively at winning puck battles and getting the puck out.

Everyone loves shitting on Lindgren but before his injuries in the playoffs and pre-season, he was the only defenseman on the Rangers last year consistently winning puck battles and getting it the f*** out of the zone when needed.

I'm not convinced in the slightest that this team is completely cooked, the last 12 minutes of the 2nd period today proved that.

Can we please get some NHL-caliber defensemen back into the lineup and see what happens?

Trouba and Lindgren starting this season as Rangers eliminated any chance of the retool we needed on D.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Very odd theory….


Could the Rangers be playing like this because management wants them to do so, most likely trying to bring Perreault’s linemate Hagens to NYR


Hagens is a center, Rangers need…


#NYRTANKFORHAGENS

MOST LIKELY RANGERS WOULD HAVE #12 PICK RIGHT NOW

#Fakin4Hagens

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

You take a look at the composition of the team between the the President Trophy winning 2023-2024 Rangers and this monstrosity of a start; one of the most impactful roster changes was losing Erik Gustafsson.

He could eat minutes, knew when to join the rush at the right times (ahem Zac) and was solid defensively at winning puck battles and getting the puck out.

Everyone loves shitting on Lindgren but before his injuries in the playoffs and pre-season, he was the only defenseman on the Rangers last year consistently winning puck battles and getting it the f*** out of the zone when needed.

I'm not convinced in the slightest that this team is completely cooked, the last 12 minutes of the 2nd period today proved that.

Can we please get some NHL-caliber defensemen back into the lineup and see what happens?

The mythical 2024 Lindgren apologist

 

[RangerBoy]

The 15-13-1 Rangers are 1-5 against Eastern playoff teams and 1-3 against Western playoff teams while 9-2 against non-tournament teams in the East and 4-3-1 against those on the outside in the West. Eleven of the next 14 games are against clubs in playoff position.

Brooks had this item in his game story. Mollie was on a plane to Missouri.

The Rangers next two games are against the non- playoff teams. The other non-playoff team is Chicago and the Rangers already lost to them.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

I can’t remember a team that I’ve disliked more than this year’s team. I mean we knew during the Dark Ages the team was bad and we had no expectations. This team is fresh off a President’s Trophy and it’s cup or bust and they’ve completely mailed it in this year. It’s one thing to be bad but have a young team like the Sharks. It’s another thing when you’re a playoff team and you’re intentionally tanking games. The fans deserve better, Sam deserves better, hell even Dolan deserves better with what he spends. This team deserves to be booed. It’s unacceptable and truth be told I’m so tuned out, they’re giving me no choice but not to watch them. Why should I waste my evening watching this shit? If they don’t care why should I? f*** them.

 

[RangerBoy]

The Rangers season is right here. A 12-4-1 cushion has become 15-13-1. 3-9 in the last 12 games.

The Rangers D group looks rough. No help is coming. It doesn’t sound like Miller will be returning in seven days. The broadcast yesterday hinted it's a longer injury than seven days. Miller is having an awful season but he is better than Mackey. Jones has been exposed, Mancini is struggling big time. He is whiffing on simple passes. Lindgren is bad. Fox isn't much better. He can hit the empty net from the offensive zone. Schneider is struggling. The forwards break down every game. The Blues will have a breakaway in the first 2 minutes in the game today. Kyrou or Thomas.

LA plays like Florida. They can defend the middle of the ice. The Rangers couldn't get through the neutral zone and were kept to the outside. One shot on goal from the outside and the puck is out of the offensive zone. Once in the offensive zone, the Rangers players like Artemi have no time with the puck when they have the puck. That's how you win. The Rangers refuse to play like that. They really aren't built to play that way. Dump the puck and retrieve it. We saw where the Rangers are one of the worst teams in that category. The DFO video with Jon Goyens. LA has those big forwards. Kempe. Kopitar. Jeannot. Byfield. Fogele. There was one play in the first period where the Kings Lafreniere abused Trocheck on the forecheck and ripped the puck away from him like he wasn't even there. I am sick of Trocheck. He talks after the game and he makes no sense. None of them do. Grandma Trocheck can prepare spaghetti and meat balls for another team in Pittsburgh.

Drury needs to make cataclysmic changes to this group. Send Luca Brasi. You're waiving for Buffalo. Chris Kreider.

 

[Mr Mxmzptlk]

Very odd theory….


Could the Rangers be playing like this because management wants them to do so, most likely trying to bring Perreault’s linemate Hagens to NYR


Hagens is a center, Rangers need…


#NYRTANKFORHAGENS

MOST LIKELY RANGERS WOULD HAVE #12 PICK RIGHT NOW

Dolan would never stand for losing that playoff revenue.

 

[RangerBoy]

Kreider needs to go for a couple character defensive guys, preferably a D and a forward. Smith too which is easy enough id think.

They need to allow the youth to take over. I’m horrified by the play of Lafreniere. He’s checked out imo because he signed a contract to be “the guy” for the franchise, but a broken down Kreider and Zibanejad signed blood oaths to never come off the PP.

Drury needs to plant the seeds of a deadline trade in Panarin’s head. He would turn LAK into a big time threat in the west, with how they defend.

Will Artemi buy into what Jim Hiller is selling?