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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV (To trade or not to trade is the question)

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Fitzy said:
I don’t think it’s a good move to give Igor this deal. Not gonna be dramatic about it. I just think it’s a mistake.
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We are so used to these obvious "mistakes" that they cannot be called mistakes anymore. It's simply the fact that this org has a completely different mindset and ambition than the fans do. The fans want to win the cup. The org wants to keep receiving their fat pay checks and to do that they must bring in revenue for the fat cat owner.
 
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CLW said:
We are so used to these obvious "mistakes" that they cannot be called mistakes anymore. It's simply the fact that this org has a completely different mindset and ambition than the fans do. The fans want to win the cup. The org wants to keep receiving their fat pay checks and to do that they must bring in revenue for the fat cat owner.
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How much revenue do you think a goalie who never speaks to the media and pretends he doesn’t speak English is bringing in?
 
AirGut said:
I don't get how people can complain when Bob & Vasi were already being paid as much down in Florida for the past half-decade.

$11.5M for Shestyorkin is the unfortunate reality of New York pricing. Would I love him at Oettinger money? Yes but, this isn't Dallas and this isn't Winnipeg and this also isn't Florida.
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No they werent. Vasi signed his big deal after he won his first cup.

They also had alot of really good contracts, and have since had to jettison alot of good players
 
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IDvsEGO said:
8 years when we get out from Lindgren and Ck as early as next year? And the only real anchor on the roster is Mika?

I don’t see an issue with that.
It’s not like we’re trying to bottom out completely.

This wasn’t ever gonna be a rebuild, but a restructuring.
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Never saw it as another rebuild. But saying you need to allocate that much money to a player who has been declining for 3 years and will be in his late 30's when the contract expires is crazy to me. Especially when we see that year after year you can win with basically a guy off the scrap heap in net.

It's just not that important of a position.
 
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Peltz said:
You don't need to rebuild this roster. You need to retool on the fly. There are enough decent assets already in the system to balance it out with some good trades. They just need a high end Center and a defensemen or two. That doesn't necessitate a full rebuild.

This roster is like 2 pieces away from contending. Not 5-6.
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… a 1C (might as well be 5 pieces by itself, given we’re never getting one). A 2D. A 3D. A top six wing. Not only is this team at least 3-4 pieces away, but they’re some of the hardest pieces to acquire and now we’re right back to having minimal cap space and minimal movable assets that have positive value. I don’t know how anyone sees a roadmap to success for this roster now, outside of pure blind, biased optimism.
 
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It could be worse. Drury could have given Miller a big deal with term.

Kreids, lindgren and miller all need to go, kreider most likely in offseason.

We need cap to remake this defense.

I still dont think there is a way to remove zibs.
 
Peltz said:
You don't need to rebuild this roster. You need to retool on the fly. There are enough decent assets already in the system to balance it out with some good trades. They just need a high end Center and a defensemen or two. That doesn't necessitate a full rebuild.

This roster is like 2 pieces away from contending. Not 5-6.
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I mean I could go back through roster building threads for the last 20 years and see "we just need a high end center and a defensemen or two."

I was simply saying the Rangers did this same thing at the start of their rebuild. They allocate huge sums of money before they know where they might actually need it. You don't need a $11.5M goalie to win in the NHL.
 
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Ruggs225 said:
No they werent. Vasi signed his big deal after he won his first cup.

They also had alot of really good contracts, and have since had to jettison alot of good players
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Andrei Vasilevskiy signed his 8-year $76 million contract extension on July 29, 2019. What do you think that $9.5M would've been in NY?
 
LokiDog said:
… a 1C (might as well be 5 pieces by itself, given we’re never getting one). A 2D. A 3D. A top six wing. Not only is this team at least 3-4 pieces away, but they’re some of the hardest pieces to acquire and now we’re right back to having minimal cap space and minimal movable assets that have positive value. I don’t know how anyone sees a roadmap to success for this roster now, outside of pure blind, biased optimism.
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The next chance we have at acquiring a legitimate #1 center is if McDavid or Eichel reaches free agency at the ages of 29 and 30. This team is f***ed.
 
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LokiDog said:
They got to the ECF with Igor making under 6M and every single player on that he roster except for Cullye has gotten worse since. So paying Igor twice as much and fielding a worse roster is going to get better results?
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Kakko has not gotten worse. the whole 4th line is better than what we had and Smith > Wheeler.

We are going to be paying Igor more. But we will not be paying lindgren or trouba. Plus the cap is going up.

It's too much for a goalie in an ideal world. But there's no guarantee we can't win with Igor and there's certainly no guarantee we can win without him.
 
So... once Igor's extension kicks in, we'll have roughly 2.5 million to address the following:

Panarin - N/A - N/A
Kreider/Lafreniere - Chytil/Trochek - N/A
Cuylle - Zibanejad - Kakko/Smith
Edstrom - Carrick - Vesey

Brodz
Rempe

N/A - Fox
N/A - Schneider
Jones/Miller - N/A (maybe Mancini next year)

Mancini
Lindgren
Vaak
 
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Fitzy said:
I would assume the thought process was “a 11.5 million goalie can win us the cup even with a lacking roster”
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That’s a decision that is only made more painful in view of the fact that it was made by a guy who was brought in as a high priced UFA to win a Cup AND wear the C on the same team that wasted Lundqvist l.
 
GoAwayPanarin said:
I think it’s about not moving on from the mindset of trying to build behind a goalie.

There’s been no indication that the GM is interested in making the moves necessary to build a team that is strong enough in front of him to win. I understand how strong his playoff track record is, but look at the volume of f***wads who still
Exist on this roster and likely will continue to exist.
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i think there have been indications Drury wants to build a string team. I think the Trouba summer ordeal f***ed up his plan.
 
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Ruggs225 said:
Sorry his extension started after his first cup. So the first cup was still on a much lower salary.
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It was a cup win that fell in their lap, my point is you can't expect a franchise goalie to not get paid his due in a place like New York.

People constantly mention Oettinger, Vasi, Bob when we all know they'd be getting about $1-3M extra on their deals if they were NYR.

The cap is also going up anyways, $11.5 is perfect market value for Shesty
 
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