Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV (To trade or not to trade is the question)

[bleedblue94]

I will say this - as someone very much on the "get rid of Trouba" train, I don't think replacing him with Mancini is good. Mancini needs a year in the AHL. Playing him at the NHL level right now is not ideal and would actually be worse than Trouba, IMO.

He may end up back in Hartford if the trade is completed and nyr gets a d back.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Adam Fox has been a Norris finalist or damn close with Ryan Lindgren as his partner since winning the trophy.

He hasn’t declined lol.

Correct. He's maybe a half a step slower since Jensen kneed him. That's it.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Brooskie wrote a banger article last night. His typewriter is probably on fire right now with today's column lol

What did he say?

 

[SixGoalieSystem]

I'll take what he said at face value. There is a time and a place. He isn't even talking about being selected for the Four Nations. Maybe the guy, who I've never known to not have his head on straight, wants to be focused on tonight.

Fair enough. No issue with that for my part.

 

[McRanger92]

Lavy saying he was in on the decision is kinda wild to hear. I guess it’s obvious he would be to an extent, but it screams to me that Trouba really was checked out in the locker room.

I think it also shows Drury and Laviolette are in lockstep with how they see the roster. That's probably good news.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Love how Vince just packages up everyone else’s tweets and summarizes them then takes full credit for having insider info

 

[Mandar]

Do you guys think Drury brought Rempe into the room for protection when he had his one on one with Trouba telling him to pack his bags?

huh? Zach Jones could kick Rempe's ass. He better have Cuylle in there instead of the tall punching bag.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

This isn't true. You don't have a wait for the deal to be done before asking a player to waive.

You don’t have to but it doesn’t really make sense to do it before.

 

[bleedblue94]

This isn't true. You don't have a wait for the deal to be done before asking a player to waive.

I'm not saying you have to, I'm saying common practice is that players and agents don't want you to ask them to waive unless you have a deal in place for them to consider. This was well documented with how Calgary mishandled the markstrom trade talk last season.

 

[I Eat Crow]

I feel the same way, should just let Ruhwedel eat the minutes. But maybe Drury is willing to take a bath on this season and sees it as a transition season at this point. I doubt it but I agree, wouldn’t have called up Mancini.

It's simple. Stick Ruhwadel with Lindgren and play Jones-Schneider as the 2nd pair. They'll be fine.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

So can we waive Mika and see if someone picks him up? If he passes through just have him come back to MSG? That should help with his mental state

Nope.

 

[McRanger92]

What did he say?

Trade Trouba for Stammer, call up Rempe, Phil Housley coaches a soft defense because he was a soft player. A quote from Cally about how the Rangers looked lazy and soft against NJ. Playing all the Greatest hits.

 

[zlev]

I will say this - as someone very much on the "get rid of Trouba" train, I don't think replacing him with Mancini is good. Mancini needs a year in the AHL. Playing him at the NHL level right now is not ideal and would actually be worse than Trouba, IMO.

yeah. this is only good if we use the cap space to get a defenseman who is actually good. i doubt it though and i bet any Trouba trade has 50% retention. plus, Lindgren is still in the lineup.

 

[B17 Apricots]

It sends a message that poor play isn't going to be tolerated and that unless you have an iron clad blood oath contract like Zibanejad, no one's job is safe.

Pandering is only going to breed complacency.

Sure, I like that aspect. The cap space is nice... but at this point is this the group that's going to get us over the hump? It seems like they're going to start transitioning toward other players. So what's the point in sending a message to players that you're ultimately going to trade away anyway. I'd rather use him as a trade asset than send some sort of a message.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Ruhwedel or Mancini in for Trouba and you lose nothing on the ice.

You would likely improve in some areas.

Trouba's game was literally AHL level this season, regardless of reason or excuse.

 

[bleedblue94]

You don’t have to but it doesn’t really make sense to do it before.

Holy shit, did we agree on something?!?!

 

[GAGLine]

I will say this - as someone very much on the "get rid of Trouba" train, I don't think replacing him with Mancini is good. Mancini needs a year in the AHL. Playing him at the NHL level right now is not ideal and would actually be worse than Trouba, IMO.

There may very well be other moves that are contingent on moving Trouba. But even if not, they may make a move if Mancini struggles, or just play Ruhwedel instead.

So can we waive Mika and see if someone picks him up? If he passes through just have him come back to MSG? That should help with his mental state

Unfortunately, we can't waive a player with an NMC.

 

[McRanger92]

Larry from way downtown. "Brady Tkachuk has become the rangers primary target"

 

[will1066]

Trade Trouba for Stammer, call up Rempe, Phil Housley coaches a soft defense because he was a soft player. A quote from Cally about how the Rangers looked lazy and soft against NJ. Playing all the Greatest hits.

And remember who jokingly brought up Stamkos for Trouba? lol

 

[DanielBrassard]

Sure, I like that aspect. The cap space is nice... but at this point is this the group that's going to get us over the hump? It seems like they're going to start transitioning toward other players. So what's the point in sending a message to players that you're ultimately going to trade away anyway. I'd rather use him as a trade asset than send some sort of a message.

I think this is more about turning things over to a new core. Drury wanted to do it in the offseason, but after Trouba refused to waive he probably figured it wasn’t worth it and might as well see what happens this season and then after they show that they can’t get it done again, changes happen.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Larry from way downtown. "Brady Tkachuk has become the rangers primary target"

Godspeed to Larry on his journey to will this into existence

 

[FIRE DRURY]

No wonder the Kraken fired this lady

Oh shut the hell up, Rachel.

 

[zlev]

Drury is even dumber than I thought if he's gonna get rid of Trouba just to give up a bunch of stuff for Brady Tkachuk

 

[DanielBrassard]

Larry from way downtown. "Brady Tkachuk has become the rangers primary target"

Here we go. What’s it gonna take boys.

 

[Raspewtin]

yeah. this is only good if we use the cap space to get a defenseman who is actually good. i doubt it though and i bet any Trouba trade has 50% retention. plus, Lindgren is still in the lineup.

now I don't agree with this. Trouba was a massive negative on this team in every aspect and him going is straight up a win regardless of what we do next. particularly because I don't think Drury and Lav really see this as a winning season, I certainly don't.

if they just run with Chad I'm fine with that too, TBH. I just don't want Mancini to get Howden'd