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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIII

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offdacrossbar said:
huh ?

if he knows all the tricks on how to play defense how bout he plays some defense. maybe ?

sounds like he should be a practice guy or a healthy scratch guy and maybe an asst coach down the road but playing every game and using your criteria as why scares me.

he simply has nothing left in the tank

he cannot skate
he cannot handle the puck
he doesnt win many battles
he doesnt not and cannot shoot
he is a liability in all 3 zones.
he gets beat like a mule
hes teaching nothing good to anyone
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This is a very sad truth. However it's also a guy who is a locker-room leader, Joker and friend to a lot of people in the organization. Never complained, never was a problem and came over insane odds to still be playing. He's also top 10 in games played as a Ranger.

It's a very difficult situation to navigate.
 
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Edge said:
I'm not oppossed to taking a LHD, so long as he's a potential top-pairing defenseman. Beyond Miller, I'd like a little more skill and upside on the left. I think we have solid depth pieces, but I'd be okay with more high-upside/higher odds type as well.

I think skill is important at forward, but I think we need a little less finesse and more of a straight on North-South presence moving forward to blend into things.

I want guys who look like their sole mission in life is to get to the net as quickly as possible.
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Agree. Zach Jones is that under the radar high upside pick that has top 4 potential if all goes right.

The forward depth of the prospect pool outside of Kravtsov is abysmal. This is the right draft to take 4 forwards in the first 2 rounds if the Rangers get another high pick or two for Kreider.
 
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It just scares me how in DQ's postgame presser he was heavily insinuating that Staal wold eventually be back in the lineup, even after the kind of game we played.

Hopefully it was just a front to be nice to Marc, LOL.
 
I Eat Crow said:
Agree. Zach Jones is that under the radar high upside pick that has top 4 potential if all goes right.

The forward depth of the prospect pool outside of Kravtsov is abysmal. This is the right draft to take 4 forwards in the first 2 rounds if the Rangers get another high pick or two for Kreider.
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Who is even our best forward prospect behind Kravtsov? Henriksson? Like, we're so bare up front in the pool. Granted a lot of our guys are graduating.
 
Igor Shestyorkin said:
It just scares me how in DQ's postgame presser he was heavily insinuating that Staal wold eventually be back in the lineup, even after the kind of game we played.

Hopefully it was just a front to be nice to Marc, LOL.
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Or we could also just move Staal to 4th line wing.

I'm only half joking.
 
Igor Shestyorkin said:
It just scares me how in DQ's postgame presser he was heavily insinuating that Staal wold eventually be back in the lineup, even after the kind of game we played.

Hopefully it was just a front to be nice to Marc, LOL.
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Staal was in the lineup against Buffalo and we played very well in that game too. Of course he's going to be back in the lineup at some point.
 
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Igor Shestyorkin said:
Who is even our best forward prospect behind Kravtsov? Henriksson? Like, we're so bare up front in the pool. Granted a lot of our guys are graduating.
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Yeah we're hella stacked on d-prospects so I hope they go this route. Kind of like how I hope the Jets go offense-only in the NFL draft. But we know they won't. And I'm sure the Rangers will probably take some d-men.
 
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I Eat Crow said:
Agree. Zach Jones is that under the radar high upside pick that has top 4 potential if all goes right.

The forward depth of the prospect pool outside of Kravtsov is abysmal. This is the right draft to take 4 forwards in the first 2 rounds if the Rangers get another high pick or two for Kreider.
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this is the dirty little secret for this organization. we have a strong prospect pool but the real strength is d and net.

the forwards are thin. after the guys who have already "made it" there isnt much.

and the reality is for all the high end picks we have in the system at forward, we may well find that there isnt a legit top line guy in the bunch other than kakko. guys like kravtsov and chytil are talents but are the true 1st line guys ? the rest may well be bottom 6 types inc. a bunch of 1st rounders.

for example, morgan barron is a power forword big body guy but projecting him above the 3c is tough. and hes in our top 3 forwards prospects. ugh.

thats fine, but our drafting of blue chip type forwards continues to be at best, s0-so.

time to add some real scoring forward prospects.

henriksson is a nice prospect but more of the same afaic. need more.
 
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jas said:
I think JD has very little impact on how this team will draft. And the Rangers have been drafting bigger forwards with skill and speed.
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But (as far as I can see) none with the physicality of the players drafted in those two organizations.
 
KirkAlbuquerque said:
Yeah we're hella stacked on d-prospects so I hope they go this route. Kind of like how I hope the Jets go offense-only in the NFL draft. But we know they won't. And I'm sure the Rangers will probably take some d-men.
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Exactly.

I resent being a NYJ fan.

Rangers should only be taking dmen late round. I don't really see the point to take any in the first 3-4 rounds when we really need to accumulate some more wing depth in the pool especially.
 
offdacrossbar said:
this is the dirty little secret for this organization. we have a strong prospect pool but the real strength is d and net.

the forwards are thin. after the guys who have already "made it" there isnt much.

and the reality is for all the high end picks we have in the system at forward, we may well find that there isnt a legit top line guy in the bunch other than kakko. guys like kravtsov and chytil are talents but are the true 1st line guys ? the rest may well be bottom 6 types inc. a bunch of 1st rounders.

for example, morgan barron is a power forword big body guy but projecting him above the 3c is tough. and hes in our top 3 forwards prospects. ugh.

thats fine, but our drafting of blue chip type forwards continues to be at best, s0-so.

time to add some real scoring forward prospects.

henriksson is a nice prospect but more of the same afaic. need more.
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You only need two first line guys? Which we have in Panarin and Kakko.
 
Brooklyn Rangers Fan said:
Jones?
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I think he could get there, but I'm hesitant to view him as a prospect you'd potentially view as being that top-end LHD. Right now, I view him as more of a support player, albeit a more offensive-oriented support player (which is different and welcome on the left side).

I guess what I'm getting at is that if we're sitting in the 3-10 range, and someone in the neighborhood of Bowen Byram is sitting there, I'm perfectly fine going that direction.
 
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If the cliched “defensemen take longer to develop” thing has merit, it’s logical to load up on D earlier in a rebuild, no?

I expect them to go forward heavy from here at the draft, all else equal. And yes I would bet heavily on a few D for F trades over the next few years if things stay on this course.
 
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Avery16 said:
If Staal retires after this season, do we have to protect him in the expansion draft?
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hes a UFA by then anyway so no worries. Actually Hank, Staal and Smith are off the books

the options are gonna be 3 of Trouba, Skjei, De Angelo, Hajek , Lindgren........assuming they are all still around.......Miller and Lundqvist are not eligible and should be close by then
 
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I'm not super worried about the balance of the prospect pool at this point. As good as the pipeline looks right now on D, it's unlikely that even a majority of these players will pan out. Even still, if 50% of guys look like viable pro prospects three years from now, and that's being generous, you're still in a great spot because young defensemen always have a lot of value across the league.
 
i expect a forward will be our 1st pick. and probably our 2nd as well. but BPA trumps all in my book.

we still need an impact center and we will be active looking for a trade to make that happen.

i think if nothing else, this season has shown us that even if we draft a player top 3 lets say, we cannot expect they will be able to make an impact the same as a player whos say 22-34 and ready to contribute right now.

i think next year, we will see mika and XXXXXXX who knows who that will be but im sure it wont be anyone we draft next summer.

we have players - CK, ADA and skjei to deal plus the top prospect pool in the league.

there's a deal out there.
 
jas said:
I think JD has very little impact on how this team will draft. And the Rangers have been drafting bigger forwards with skill and speed.
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Well, that's what happens when you have multiple 1s and higher picks. It is slowly changing where smaller players go higher in the draft, but size + skill + speed is usually a top of the draft player.
 
Rangers won't trade for a 2C when they have Chytil, Lias, Howden and potentially Kravtsov able to play C for the foreseeable future. Sure, none of them right now are this big thing, but that's why you need to be patient with them. They're all super young. The idea of stocking the cupboards is to have one of these guys step up and grab the spot from the others. This is a healthy depth problem to be having.

I do believe the Rangers should use the 1st pick on the best available forward at the draft, hopefully a center. Whomever is picked in that 4-15 range won't be helping out anytime soon anyway.

Maybe a trade revolving around Kreider may happen, I just don't see it being a 2C. Too many capable young guys with a lot of room for growth already vying for that job. Unless of course it's for a Veteran stop gap type move for a year or two like Strome is currently doing to let the players develop a bit.

I really don't think this team is anywhere near as bad as last year. I see no way they end up in a top 5 pick situation. I can see 8th-15th for sure, but that won't get us a NHL ready contributing center. Pretty sure we're already supposed to have that covered in our system already.
 
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