Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIII

[Shesterkybomb]

Any of the top 3 or perfetti.

Perfetti is the type of clutch player we need imo.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I read in the post today that Quinn wants a bit more grit from the team.

I'm sorry, but if it's not in you to play that way specifically, then anything you get will be half hearted and short term.

You have to want to play a gritty style naturally.

This is a soft skilled team. They are going to revert to their nature of being soft and skilled after a short spurt of games where they try and play a game not suited to their nature.

There's a significant disconnect between what the coach wants and the players Gorton has drafted.

I do not see this ending well

Yeah, there's definitely something to this.

I don't think there's anything wrong with Quinn wanting his guys to be hard on the puck and win battle and give 110% at all times. But it definitely feels, at least from the outside, that he's putting more of a premium on physicality instead of structure. He should be stressing positioning and structure just as much as he's crying for guts and physicality.

I just worry that if he's endlessly stressing hits and physicality that it will become the first thing the impressionable young players think about. Do we want Kaapo Kakko thinking about dumping the puck and laying a check on a defender as his first thought because that's what his coach has drilled into his head every practice and he's an 18 year old kid who wants to please his coach so he does what he says? Do we want Chytil abandoning his creative play because he wants to stay up with the big club so he's just doing whatever the coach say and in this case it seems like the coach cares the most about being physical as the most important part of the game and he seemingly dislikes creativity (from some of his comments). I feel like we've already seen this with Lias, a guy who was a scorer at all other levels wants to be in the NHL so bad that he's basically abandoned all semblances of offensive creativity to be a grinder. It's important to have that part of his game, but should it be his entire game?

Listen, I'm not saying this is all true but there is definitely some room for concern with Quinn in this regard.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Yeah, there's definitely something to this.

I don't think there's anything wrong with Quinn wanting his guys to be hard on the puck and win battle and give 110% at all times. But it definitely feels, at least from the outside, that he's putting more of a premium on physicality instead of structure. He should be stressing positioning and structure just as much as he's crying for guts and physicality.

I just worry that if he's endlessly stressing hits and physicality that it will become the first thing the impressionable young players think about. Do we want Kaapo Kakko thinking about dumping the puck and laying a check on a defender as his first thought because that's what his coach has drilled into his head every practice and he's an 18 year old kid who wants to please his coach so he does what he says? Do we want Chytil abandoning his creative play because he wants to stay up with the big club so he's just doing whatever the coach say and in this case it seems like the coach cares the most about being physical as the most important part of the game and he seemingly dislikes creativity (from some of his comments). I feel like we've already seen this with Lias, a guy who was a scorer at all other levels wants to be in the NHL so bad that he's basically abandoned all semblances of offensive creativity to be a grinder. It's important to have that part of his game, but should it be his entire game?

Listen, I'm not saying this is all true but there is definitely some room for concern with Quinn in this regard.

I watched the post game the other day and I didn't think he said he wanted guys to hit and run people over or was against creativity. He said he wanted them to get to pucks and win the puck battle. If you can't do that structure doesnt matter, as all you will end up doing is defending. You can't be creative if you dont have the puck. This is the message. As I said before it's a common issue from none north american hockey players when they first get here because the game is played faster, harder and smarter over here, you can't have a team of guys waiting for the puck to come to them. If you want an example of what Quinn wants look at Mika, he isnt stiffling his creativity, if anything him retrieving pucks gives him more opportunity to be creative. Mika is the poster boy of what this team needs to do.

 

[ZiGOODejad]

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Damn man charge your phone

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Damn man charge your phone

 

[NYRFANMANI]

lmao, I don't care how good Askarov is supposed to be, if Minny or Dallas or whoever picks him in the top 10, they lost their minds (specially Dallas since they have Oettinger). Too much offensive power in the top 20 for teams that desperately need it.

 

[mas0764]

lmao, I don't care how good Askarov is supposed to be, if Minny or Dallas or whoever picks him in the top 10, they lost their minds (specially Dallas since they have Oettinger). Too much offensive power in the top 20 for teams that desperately need it.

Yeah, that site isn't for well-thought out picks. It's more based on a loose sketch of team needs compared to what the site deems is the best available player. It mostly just selects whoever is best remaining.

 

[effen]

why are we on the "Quinn mind control will have all our players mindlessly hitting things against their nature" train

if his mind control worked we wouldn't be here, now, discussing his presser where he asks more 'battle level'. it's not both.

as an aside, mind control isn't real.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I watched the post game the other day and I didn't think he said he wanted guys to hit and run people over or was against creativity. He said he wanted them to get to pucks and win the puck battle. If you can't do that structure doesnt matter, as all you will end up doing is defending. You can't be creative if you dont have the puck. This is the message. As I said before it's a common issue from none north american hockey players when they first get here because the game is played faster, harder and smarter over here, you can't have a team of guys waiting for the puck to come to them. If you want an example of what Quinn wants look at Mika, he isnt stiffling his creativity, if anything him retrieving pucks gives him more opportunity to be creative. Mika is the poster boy of what this team needs to do.

I just wonder if it's possible that his message is being misinterpreted on the kids who are just trying to do what he says.

Totally agree that Mika is the posterchild for how Quinn wants his guys to play.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

why are we on the "Quinn mind control will have all our players mindlessly hitting things against their nature" train.

What? Are we? We hit statistically more, but my eye-test says that ain't hits. 80% of the time it looks like an attempt at hugging.

as an aside, mind control isn't real.

*looks around the world* yup, mind control is totally not real.

 

[effen]

I just wonder if it's possible that his message is being misinterpreted on the kids who are just trying to do what he says.

Totally agree that Mika is the posterchild for how Quinn wants his guys to play.

for whatever his faults, Quinn speaks very clearly and directly and I find it hard to believe you can misinterpret what he says.

Mika is a fun one to bring up. He doesn't run people over or play a Brandon Prust game, but he gets the most ice time of the forwards by a ton. How is such sorcery possible?!?!

 

[GAGLine]

as an aside, mind control isn't real.

How do you know that isn't what I want you to think?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

for whatever his faults, Quinn speaks very clearly and directly and I find it hard to believe you can misinterpret what he says.

Mika is a fun one to bring up. He doesn't run people over or play a Brandon Prust game, but he gets the most ice time of the forwards by a ton. How is such sorcery possible?!?!

He wins puck battles, chases down pucks and still manages to be creative....go figure

 

[effen]

How do you know that isn't what I want you to think?

 

[bobbop]

This is the youngest team in the league and it just got even younger. Just have to learn to be patient.

 

[DanielBrassard]

This is the youngest team in the league and it just got even younger. Just have to learn to be patient.

I think most are, but when the team gets run out of the building night after night it's frustrating. Just be competitive.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

With Landeskog out for an extended period, I'd be calling Colorado every day to see if they want to finish that Kreider deal

Take the first good offer for him, I just have a feeling he's not going to have a great year

 

[pld459666]

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Quinn wants them to win puck battles, get to where the puck is first and battle for it, basic hockey.

Therein lies the problem.

I get the feeling that some of them dont want to engage in the above.

 

[DutchShamrock]

I think most are, but when the team gets run out of the building night after night it's frustrating. Just be competitive.

And I think people can deal with getting run out of the building. But if developing Smith as a forward takes precedent over developing Andersson as a forward, there is going to be outcry.

 

[Ola]

Therein lies the problem.

I get the feeling that some of them dont want to engage in the above.

I am always really cautious drawing an assumption that players don’t want it enough or want to work hard enough or whatever.

Sure it is relevant factors to look at, but at the same time almost all players play the right way when they are capable of it, while so many players struggle when they are asked to do things they can’t.

It’s just as simple as this, there is nothing that is more fun and rewarding that being able to hunt down the opponent, lay them out, strip them of the puck and just hammer away at them. And there is certainly nothing as frustrating as it is to skate around in no-mans land, being a step behind all the time, and he pushed back over 60 minutes.

There is in my mind no doubt whatsoever that if you half way into the season polled 31 coaches in this league which team it is the easiest to turn play against — we would at the very least rank in the top 1/3, probably top 1/6 and maybe even top 1/10 if not top 1/31.

And between the above fact, that it’s easy to transition from defense to offense against us, there is a direct correlation to the fact that it is — hard — for us to forecheck. It’s as simple as this, if a defender fetch a puck and finds an easy alternative to pass it to — the defender will move the puck faster than if he doesn’t find any passing options. It’s hard to forechecking against teams that move the puck fast.

Okey, so then the problem is that we are not structured enough after we lose the puck? Actually, that doesn’t have to be the case either. Because in order to be structured enough after you lose the puck — you must make sure that you don’t lose the puck in the wrong areas. Right? And we are certainly guilty of giving away the puck more or less all over the ice on a regular basis. We could certainly benefit some from being a bit more conservative, going into a game to make sure to not give up more than 2 instead of with the aim to score 6 as it seems like.

Okey so the problem is that we lose the puck in the wrong areas? Actually, it’s not that simple either. To not give the puck away when you get up ice, you need to have proper support. You need to have executed transition plays that lets the skater get up ice relatively collected, and we are certainly guilty of trying a lot of those long cross ice passes to spring people and go for the break.

Okey so then the problem really is that we rush our transition plays too much? Actually it’s not a simple as that. To get time to make controlled outlet passes, you can’t be hammered in your own end, you ...

You get the drift. It’s possible to go on like this forever. My point is just, to play a good hockey game, including to chase down pucks and taking the body and all those things — everything must work. Everything is connected. It’s possible that it’s an attitude issue, but it don’t have to be. And when I watch us play, it’s not hard to find issues and all of those issues ends up costing you at the bottom line.

 

[Captain Monglobster]

Do you think is really even matters? We're playing for a top 3 pick, that's the way I see it.

And the only thing the Rangers should have a very good eye on, is the development of young talent.

I agree. Is it better to have a rookie D pairing or not? Maybe it is, but I dont think so.

 

[Ola]

JD should restrict Gorton’s authority to make trades with Yzerman in Detroit going forward. Enough is enough.

 

[I Eat Crow]

The market for Kreider is starting to take shape. The good news for the Rangers is that teams with a need at wing are going to look to bolster their personnel to make a playoff run.

Colorado has Rantanen and Landeskog out long term. Expectations are high this year after a run last year.

St. Louis are reigning champs and just lost Tarasenko until the playoffs.

Edmonton is looking like a playoff contender, as is Arizona.

Pit those four teams against each other and take the best offer.

 

[I Eat Crow]

JD should restrict Gorton’s authority to make trades with Yzerman in Detroit going forward. Enough is enough.

JT is and always will be a bozo. A run of 10 good games doesn't change that.