Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIII

[bobbop]

I just believe the Rangers need to get at least one young prime high forward out of the draft. Top 5 pick. They might need more than one. The Rangers do have Andersson, Chytil, Howden and Kravstov. That’s more than Chicago had. They need that player. Hughes. Kakko. Cozens. Dach. Boldy? The Russian kid. They need a young player to build their team around.

No problem with this. You have to draft offense high. You can get defensive help lower in the draft. They may already have ‘that’ player but I’m all for drafting more. And I’m all in on Panarin.

And I hope they can figure out a way to get Fox. He looks like a real player at a position of need.

 

[Idlerlee]

Brady Skjei is one of them.

But I heard somewhere that every white man in the US is of European descent, not just those from Minnesota

Well yeah, but Minnesota is special for Norwegians in the fact that we had a great emigration period in the 1800s where a lot of our kinsmen went to Amerca, even far into the 1900s to seek new adventures. Most of them settled in the area near Minneapolis and surrounding cities. For its a home away from home, there are even grocery stores that sell primarily products you find in a typical Norwegian store

 

[RangerBoy]

Yeah Hossa didn’t work out for the Hawks at all, aside from those 3 cups that he was a driving force in winning for them, he definitely didn’t work out.

You forgot to mention the other core players already on the Hawks team.

Hossa wasn't driving force on all of those Cup wins.

The Rangers are still looking at adding core players.

If the Rangers get to the point where they are in position to win it all, they can pursue outside help.

The Rangers are a quite a while a way from that point in time.

The Rangers aren't ready to win right now.

 

[RangerBoy]

No problem with this. You have to draft offense high. You can get defensive help lower in the draft. They may already have ‘that’ player but I’m all for drafting more. And I’m all in on Panarin.

And I hope they can figure out a way to get Fox. He looks like a real player at a position of need.

Panarin will be 27.

The aging curve is not kind.

The Rangers will be stuck with another lemon in the last 4 years of the contract and this board will be inundated with proposals to get rid of Panarin.

Maybe we can take back a shorter contract. Maybe we can eat some money. Maybe Panarin will turn it around. We need to get rid of Panarin because the younger guy is just a better player right now.

We have so many big ticket players come to NY and flop big time.

Another big ticket flop is Pacioretty

The Golden Knights became just like every other team as soon as they traded a bundle to Montreal for Max Pacioretty and committed a bundle to sign the veteran winger to a multi-year extension in a classic missing-link move the Rangers can tell you all about.

And now, with Pacioretty at two goals in 10 games before suffering a shoulder injury, they’re playing like just about every other team, too.

https://nypost.com/2018/11/03/the-islanders-winger-filling-the-john-tavares-leadership-void/

There have been a few Pacioretty to the Rangers proposals on this board over the years.

Those deals for older players just don't work.

Vegas gave him a $28M extension.

The Rangers were leery of Stepan between the ages of 27-31 and the same Rangers were leery of giving a soon to be 30 year old Ryan McDonagh a contract extension and they better be very careful giving a 27 year old Panarin 7 years at $70m-$77M.

Panarin wants teams to come meet with him next late June like Tavares.

This is the same Rangers fan base who said Shattenkirk was going to lead the Rangers back to the Cup and his presence gave the Rangers a D to match up with Nashville.

It's a major win if Shattenkirk doesn't make any glaring mistakes in a game right now.

 

[Vitto79]

Since you're so busy trading those two...if the Rangers are in the playoff race by late February it may not happen.

Keep that in mind.

They won’t be and they still would anyway . They were in it last year and sent that we are rebuilding letter out

 

[RangerBoy]

I love arguing with some people here.

The Avs desperately need another center. Big donut hole in their lineup. Mika Zibanejad is perfect for them. He is a signed player for three more seasons at $5.35M. That's a very good number. It includes 3 years of group III. 26 years old.

Gorton aced that Brassard trade to Ottawa and the Mika contract. The only bad point was Gorton trading the 2nd to Detroit for that stiff Brendan Smith.

The Rangers also aced the Brassard trade from Columbus and the 5 years/$25M contract. A lot of people here were vehemently against both decisions.

Hayes is going to get more than that which is great for Hayes. Timing is everything. His next team will be kicking themselves by this time next season.

The fan base will be asking "What was the GM of this team thinking by giving Hayes 6 years and $6M per?"

Colorado has that pick from the Duchene trade.

Zibanejad to the Avs for the Senators 1st round pick.

Symmetry. The Rangers acquired Zibanejad from Ottawa and the Rangers trade Mika to Colorado for the Ottawa pick.

The Rangers get two top picks in the 2019 draft.

The Avs get their center. They have a really good group ready to win. Makar will be joining them next season.

 

[darko]

Sens pick is very likely to be top-3. Don't see Avs trading it.

 

[haohmaru]

You forgot to mention the other core players already on the Hawks team.

Hossa wasn't driving force on all of those Cup wins.

The Rangers are still looking at adding core players.

If the Rangers get to the point where they are in position to win it all, they can pursue outside help.

The Rangers are a quite a while a way from that point in time.

The Rangers aren't ready to win right now.

I'll have to disagree with the impact of Hossa on those Chicago teams. Hossa might be the most underrated player of his generation.

Don't disagree with the rest of it though my philosophy would be to improve the team, consistently, over time by whatever means you can. I don't think signing Panarin is a "win now" move, I think it's more of "add an elite player for money instead of draft picks move".

 

[Inferno]

Zibanejad is what...24? A 24 year old number 1 center? Those don't grow on trees.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Avs aren't trading that Ottawa pick, they could end up with Hughes, theres 0 chance.

 

[Inferno]

I'll have to disagree with the impact of Hossa on those Chicago teams. Hossa might be the most underrated player of his generation.

Don't disagree with the rest of it though my philosophy would be to improve the team, consistently, over time by whatever means you can. I don't think signing Panarin is a "win now" move, I think it's more of "add an elite player for money instead of draft picks move".

To me it really depends on what the rangers do at the tdl and what happens at the draft before I even think about panarin.
.if the rangers win the lottery and have offloaded their meh contracts...panarin makes a lot of sense. If they kept zibanejad and kreider and you're addina Hughes and panarin to it...that's 2 mostly killer lines there you can build a cup contender around 2 lethal lines.

The defense on the other hand.....

 

[Inferno]

Avs aren't trading that Ottawa pick, they could end up with Hughes, theres 0 chance.

Montreal and Colorado have nearly identical records right now.

Every non playoff team can say that their first *could* be jack hughes. If you're a bubble team, that's the price you pay for a number 1 cost controlled very young center.

 

[eco's bones]

Zibanejad for Ottawa's 1st via Colorado would certainly be something I'd consider though I might wait a couple months to do it just to make sure how Ottawa is doing.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I must have missed all the posts where people were saying signing Shattenkirk would lead the team back to a cup lol

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Zibanejad for Ottawa's 1st via Colorado would certainly be something I'd consider though I might wait a couple months to do it just to make sure how Ottawa is doing.

Colorado might trade their own 1st rounder. They aren't trading Ottawa's

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I must have missed all the posts where people were saying signing Shattenkirk would lead the team back to a cup lol

It's just a way to justify the ridiculous notion that any player over 27 should not be signed.

 

[eco's bones]

Colorado might trade their own 1st rounder. They aren't trading Ottawa's

I would tend to doubt they would trade that Ottawa 1st. If they're coming down to the deadline and think Zibanejad as a 2C gets them deep who knows though. Desperate teams sometimes do despearate things. That's the only scenario I can see them doing that.

Zibanejad for anything less than a top 10 I wouldn't even consider.

 

[offdacrossbar]

if we are serious about this team competing sooner rather than later, then no way do we even entertain moving zib. ever.

hes a talented young centerman on a solid deal.

zib/hughes/howden/andersson next year is a middle you can win with

sell off must happen. keep CK and zib and move any one else.

add more talent and speed. promote from within. kravtsov and panarin(only $$) would look nice here.

hajek fills a spot top 4. need to fix this defense. henrik has a few yrs left still.

if we think we can compete next season or soon after, add young talent and go to war. panarin only makes sense if hughes or another true elite talent breaks camp next fall.

were not that far off. 2019 draft is huge. we need to be real bad for 1 year.

tank on !

 

[GAGLine]

We would absolutely get a lot for Zib, but he's only 25, on a good contract and other than Fogarty, he's the only right handed center we have. Even if we luck into the 1st overall pick and draft Hughes, Hughes is a lefty.

We don't know yet what we are going to get from Andersson and Chytil. Will they both be better than Zib? Will either of them?

I have no doubt that Hayes will be traded, and I agree with that decision, but I think trading Zib now would be a mistake. We have time to wait on him. Yes, I know his NMC kicks in on July 1st, but players with NMCs still get traded. Maybe things will look differently in 6 months. Maybe Chytil will start producing and take the 2nd line center spot and run with it. Maybe we'll win the lottery and management will decide that drafting Hughes will make Mika expendable, and handedness be damned.

What we can't do is trade both Mika and Hayes and have Chytil and Andersson as our top 2 centers if they aren't ready for it.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

We need someone to shoot the puck so trading Zibanajad with his current team friendly cap makes little sense unless the return blows us away. I doubt they are shopping him.

 

[DutchShamrock]

To me it really depends on what the rangers do at the tdl and what happens at the draft before I even think about panarin.
.if the rangers win the lottery and have offloaded their meh contracts...panarin makes a lot of sense. If they kept zibanejad and kreider and you're addina Hughes and panarin to it...that's 2 mostly killer lines there you can build a cup contender around 2 lethal lines.

The defense on the other hand.....

I couldn't agree more. Panarin is very much a situational decision and we very far away from that decision.
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The reality is most teams aren't making an impact moves during the season. Of the ones making deals, nearly all will do it in February when their playoff questions, and if they are even eligible for the lottery, are basically answered. If Colorado dealt the Ottawa 1st, it would be protected for the top 3 or 5. If anyone dealt their 1st in November, odds are its protected.

The customers for Hayes will be desperate teams faltering. St. Louis, Calgary, Carolina, Arizona, maybe Buffalo, they need to make the playoffs. That's not to say they are stumbling now. But come Thanksgiving or New Year's, they might be a customer. How many teams subscribe to the Jim Rutherford philosophy of dealing early? Hard to identify. Other than that, fans should probably prepare for a TDL move.

 

[Waivers]

Rangers will *NOT* be doing any contending until we get at least a bonafide #1 D man like McDonagh who can eat 23 minutes a night against top competition. I’m all for Panarin and drafting another legit forward, but we can’t leave the D behind either. Sorry, but Skjei and Shattenkirk as our first line defense is... not good.

Really what I would like to see, is the Rangers involving in a trade one of Zucc or Hayes for a legit RH defensive prospect that has 1-2 pairing upside.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Well yeah, but Minnesota is special for Norwegians in the fact that we had a great emigration period in the 1800s where a lot of our kinsmen went to Amerca, even far into the 1900s to seek new adventures. Most of them settled in the area near Minneapolis and surrounding cities. For its a home away from home, there are even grocery stores that sell primarily products you find in a typical Norwegian store

Zucc to the wild?

 

[GAGLine]

Here's a cautionary tale: Cory Schneider. The devils traded the 9th overall pick (Bo Horvat) for him and what did he accomplish in his time there? Pretty much nothing. This is his 6th year with the devils and he has played 4 playoff games.

I think this is obviously a case of a team making a move too soon. They weren't ready to compete, with or without Schneider. They missed the playoffs his first 4 years and finally made it last year. Schneider played well in the playoffs, but he hasn't really be good since 2015-16, and the devils still lost the series in 5 games. If Schneider had played well in 2016-17, you could argue that they don't have Hischier right now.

Kinkaid, who isn't very good himself, has passed Schneider on the depth chart and Schneider is under contract for 3 more years at 6 mil per year.

Take from this what you will. I'm not saying that Panarin will work out the same way, but understand the risk involved. People are penciling us in for a top 3 pick already, but there's a long way to go before we get there. Anyone saying we absolutely should sign Panarin are just as wrong IMO as those saying we absolutely should not. There are too many unknowns right now. There are valid arguments on both sides, but we need to see where this team ends up, what other moves are made, and how certain players progress before we can make the right decision.

 

[Waivers]

I asked this to someone else and I'll ask this here...

Based off of what? The assumption that he'll need to adjust to the NA rink?

It's not a rink thing, it's more of a culture thing. Time will tell. Kuznetsov has a nice article elaborating on some of those points. Again, at this point, no one is going to sell me that Kravtsov is 100% on this roster come next October.