Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIII

[Mac n Gs]

Yep.

Also, RB is in full spin mode. "Hossa didn't work out in the end" is a patently absurd statement no matter who they had to give up to get rid of his contract and no matter what context you want to try to put it in.

There isn't a single fan of any team who wouldn't sign up if you told them "you are going to sign a player to a bad contract, but he's going to contribute significantly to 3 Stanley Cups."

Not to be that guy, but didn’t they trade for Oshie and then sign him to that 8 year behemoth?

However, the rest of your point remains: acting like UFA haven’t helped play integral roles on championship teams is just silly. Brian Campbell is another one example of a guy that signed a big deal and played a key role on a Cup winning team. You’ve already mentioned Gonchar. It’s also a dumb point because there’s been only 5-6 teams to win the Cup for the last ten years

 

[Tawnos]

Not to be that guy, but didn’t they trade for Oshie and then sign him to that 8 year behemoth?

However, the rest of your point remains: acting like UFA haven’t helped play integral roles on championship teams is just silly. Brian Campbell is another one example of a guy that signed a big deal and played a key role on a Cup winning team. You’ve already mentioned Gonchar. It’s also a dumb point because there’s been only 5-6 teams to win the Cup for the last ten years

You're right. They traded for him with 2 years left on his deal. It was July 2nd, which was why my brain was saying UFA. Fundamentally, I don't see a difference between acquiring players via trade vs free agency. They are both going outside the organization to supplement what you already have.

On the other hand, the guy that played the most ES minutes per game for the Caps D during last year's playoffs was a free agent acquisition.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

Going to start calling him Vitali McDavstov if he continues being the only offensive threat.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Going to start calling him Vitali McDavstov if he continues being the only offensive threat.

Confession: It's McDavid's hot start to the season (Being involved in the team's first 10 points) that got me to think about looking this up

 

[Mac n Gs]

You're right. They traded for him with 2 years left on his deal. It was July 2nd, which was why my brain was saying UFA. Fundamentally, I don't see a difference between acquiring players via trade vs free agency. They are both going outside the organization to supplement what you already have.

On the other hand, the guy that played the most ES minutes per game for the Caps D during last year's playoffs was a free agent acquisition.

Niskanen has been arguably one of the most underrated FA signings in this past decade. He’s been the true anchor for that Caps d

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Niskanen has been arguably one of the most underrated FA signings in this past decade. He’s been the true anchor for that Caps d

I always thought he was Finnish, with that last name, but it's just another on a long list of players born in NA with misleading European names. I even looked it up because I assumed his dad was a hockey player and thought that was the reason he was born in NA, but EP doesn't have anything listed.

 

[Mikos87]

Niskanen has been arguably one of the most underrated FA signings in this past decade. He’s been the true anchor for that Caps d

So was Orpik. Overpaid? Yes. Valuable? Yes.

Another one is Scott Neidermayer. Been a while, but he was an anchor.

Matt Cullen is another one.

Theres a stark difference between "Paying guys" and asset management.

Good to great GMs manage their assets well. Regardless of the channel the asset came in.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

You're wrong. Completely, entirely wrong. Start to finish here.

No. 11 points in 24 games, while decent for D+1 isn't "impressive." If you say, "for a rookie, it is," then you're making it relative and there's no right or wrong... but UI'd agree.

The start of that post was me asking for clarification. The finish was a single sentence.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Tick Tock is it the trade deadline so I can see the returns on Zuc and Hayes ?

McQuaid will be a 3rd

Then pray Names , Spooner have value or they stay another year

Staal would be icing on the cake

I also think McQuaid is worth a 3rd if he continues being decent upon returning. Hayes's value has never been lower, IMO.

 

[Mac n Gs]

So was Orpik. Overpaid? Yes. Valuable? Yes.

Another one is Scott Neidermayer. Been a while, but he was an anchor.

Matt Cullen is another one.

Theres a stark difference between "Paying guys" and asset management.

Good to great GMs manage their assets well. Regardless of the channel the asset came in.

The age is the key context there though. Orpik logged a ton of miles playing on Pitt and was already 34 when he signed that 5 year deal. Niskanen was only 27 and clearly had plenty of legs left

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

No. 11 points in 24 games, while decent for D+1 isn't "impressive." If you say, "for a rookie, it is," then you're making it relative and there's no right or wrong... but UI'd agree.

The start of that post was me asking for clarification. The finish was a single sentence.

Let's add some more context then.

Only 1(!) player under 23 has more points in the KHL as the 18-year old Kravtsov. That's Kirill Kaprizov, who is currently in his 3rd full KHL season on a team that's top-5 in scoring.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I also think McQuaid is worth a 3rd if he continues being decent upon returning. Hayes's value has never been lower, IMO.

Sure it has, 2 years ago when 90% of this board was ready to run him out of town

 

[Tawnos]

I always thought he was Finnish, with that last name, but it's just another on a long list of players born in NA with misleading European names. I even looked it up because I assumed his dad was a hockey player and thought that was the reason he was born in NA, but EP doesn't have anything listed.

There are a pretty large number of Americans from northern, central and eastern Europe. About 4% have Scandinavian or Finnish origins. About 18% from Germany and Poland.

In Niskanen's case, he's from Minnesota, which is an area with a very large number of northern Europeans.

 

[Calad]

In a perfect world, we can wait 2-3 years to sign a great UFA to help build the core. The only players of Panarin's caliber that could potentially be available and not be on the wrong side of 30 in the following 2 UFA years are Hall, RNH, and Landeskog. Those 3 have a snowballs chance in hell of actually making it to UFA. This isn't a perfect world, Panarin will only be available next summer, so we will have to make do with what is handed to us.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Depending what happens, DeAngelo could either be good tradebait OR make shattenkirk expendable.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

There are a pretty large number of Americans from northern, central and eastern Europe. About 4% have Scandinavian or Finnish origins. About 18% from Germany and Poland.

In Niskanen's case, he's from Minnesota, which is an area with a very large number of northern Europeans.

I find this fascinating and might spend a few days studying this. Thanks!

 

[Tawnos]

I find this fascinating and might spend a few days studying this. Thanks!

Nation of immigrants. I should clarify. The people in Minnesota are descended from northern European immigrants, rather than having been born in northern Europe. This is, by the way, the reason Minnesota's NFL team is called the Vikings.

 

[Fitzy]

RB's plan to win the cup is to never offer a player a contract past UFA eligibility age.

It's a bold move- let's see if it works out for him.

 

[Mikos87]

Depending what happens, DeAngelo could either be good tradebait OR make shattenkirk expendable.

Im hoping for the latter.

 

[Fitzy]

Depending what happens, DeAngelo could either be good tradebait OR make shattenkirk expendable.

They're different kinds of players, but that doesn't mean ADA can't QB a powerplay in Shatty's stead.

You give ADA Shattenkirk's brain and you've got a real weapon.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Let's add some more context then.

Only 1(!) player under 23 has more points in the KHL as the 18-year old Kravtsov. That's Kirill Kaprizov, who is currently in his 3rd full KHL season on a team that's top-5 in scoring.

I just legitimately didn't know what you meant. Not arguing.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I just legitimately didn't know what you meant. Not arguing.

Over the years, I've noticed a lot of people underestimate how difficult it is for teenagers to put up points in the KHL. It's not a development league. I just like to look at the bigger picture, add context to the numbers.

 

[offdacrossbar]

There are a pretty large number of Americans from northern, central and eastern Europe. About 4% have Scandinavian or Finnish origins. About 18% from Germany and Poland.

In Niskanen's case, he's from Minnesota, which is an area with a very large number of northern Europeans.

i have relatives in st paul area. my family on my dads side are full swede. many swedes in minny.

beautiful state. great fishing and outdoor stuff. reminds me of upstate ny where i am.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

They're different kinds of players, but that doesn't mean ADA can't QB a powerplay in Shatty's stead.

You give ADA Shattenkirk's brain and you've got a real weapon.

Yeah, he's not got the same cannon but how much has Shattenkirk's shot helped us? keep z on the point and it's totally foreseeable if he keeps racking up assists...

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Over the years, I've noticed a lot of people underestimate how difficult it is for teenagers to put up points in the KHL. It's not a development league. I just like to look at the bigger picture, add context to the numbers.

Yeah and everything I heard says he's been very good otherwise, so I just didn't know.