Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIII

[BobMarleyNYR]

Based on what?

Like, I alluded to, the fact that Chytil hasn't... the overall opinion is based on the fact he hasn't had a good season. Not a knock on him, he realistically hasn't played as they'd hoped.

Better chance he shuttles between the 4th line and hartford's top-six than that he scores 30+ as a rookie... definitely possible but not likely.

 

[NYR]

..

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Like, I alluded to, the fact that Chytil hasn't... the overall opinion is based on the fact he hasn't had a good season. Not a knock on him, he realistically hasn't played as they'd hoped.

Better chance he shuttles between the 4th line and hartford's top-six than that he scores 30+ as a rookie... definitely possible but not likely.

This is flawed logic.

The success/failures of one player has/will have nothing to do with the other. Chytil hasn't produced like they've hoped, but his play has been pretty good (especially considering who hes been playing with.)

What I'm asking for is what is there in Kravstov's game that is so glaring that he won't be able to handle the NHL from the jump next year? He may not be in "peak" physical condition, though that doesn't matter much if the game is ready.

Elias Pettersson looks like he can be knocked over by a stale fart, he's lit it up.

 

[I Eat Crow]

LMFAO

6 years for a 27 year old with one good season?

Good luck, Tampa

Seriously. That's turrible.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

This is flawed logic.

The success/failures of one player has/will have nothing to do with the other. Chytil hasn't produced like they've hoped, but his play has been pretty good (especially considering who hes been playing with.)

What I'm asking for is what is there in Kravstov's game that is so glaring that he won't be able to handle the NHL from the jump next year? He may not be in "peak" physical condition, though that doesn't matter much if the game is ready.

Elias Pettersson looks like he can be knocked over by a stale fart, he's lit it up.

No, it's as simple as he's not scoring...

It's not flawed logic, just takes further consideration. To date, since being drafted (I liked the pick), he's done litte to make us think that an excellent rookie playoff performance will translate at a higher level.

Chytil, another highly-touted prospect, with an already good AHL showing, isn't performing as well as hoped (also worth noting 1C prospects usually perform better right away) but did produce in albeit a lesser Euro league.

I think the issue is that a lot of us consider any 1st round pick a top-10, a top-10, a top-5...Pastrnak's happen like once every 4-5 years. He was 9OA,ok? Not 3rd. I liked Kravtsov and wanted them to draft him since May enough where it's easy to forget that, outside the top-5, it'
s tough to have a pick contribute significantly before 21.

Just by odds alone, so many of us are banking on like a 1 in 100 chance he's the next Kuznetsov (not even the best comparison, IMO, Kovalev is closer). I HOPE he's better, but his season thus far is no indication of that.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Elias Pettersson looks like he can be knocked over by a stale fart, he's lit it up.

lmfao

 

[darko]

LMFAO

6 years for a 27 year old with one good season?

Good luck, Tampa

Last couple years might get ugly but he's a very good player. Should be good for 70+ points this year.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I've never seen a case where leaving a player in the minors for an extra year has hurt a players development. For a rebuilding team it only makes sense that Chytil, who hasn't been bad but really hasn't stood out, should spend the year in the AHL. I liked what they did last year calling guys up after the deadline, I think they should have done that again.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

No, it's as simple as he's not scoring...

It's not flawed logic, just takes further consideration. To date, since being drafted (I liked the pick), he's done litte to make us think that an excellent rookie playoff performance will translate at a higher level.

Chytil, another highly-touted prospect, with an already good AHL showing, isn't performing as well as hoped (also worth noting 1C prospects usually perform better right away) but did produce in albeit a lesser Euro league.

I think the issue is that a lot of us consider any 1st round pick a top-10, a top-10, a top-5...Pastrnak's happen like once every 4-5 years. He was 9OA,ok? Not 3rd. I liked Kravtsov and wanted them to draft him since May enough where it's easy to forget that, outside the top-5, it'
s tough to have a pick contribute significantly before 21.

Just by odds alone, so many of us are banking on like a 1 in 100 chance he's the next Kuznetsov (not even the best comparison, IMO, Kovalev is closer). I HOPE he's better, but his season thus far is no indication of that.

You have the wrong expectations if you think Kravtsov's season isn't impressive so far.

 

[Calad]

Some people here are constantly shitting on the Rangers scouting/drafting, but they knew what talent Pettersson had and traded up trying to get him, and they almost did too but Jim Benning got cold feet and took him at 5 instead of trading down to 8 with Buffalo.

The year before that they were close to trading for #4 from the oilers because they were targeting Clayton Keller. If not for Puljujarvi falling to 4 we'd have had him, too.

And then there was 2018. The detractors bemoaned us "reaching" for Kravtsov at 9 and "wasting" a 2nd to trade up for K'Andre Miller. Well its still early, but this year the Rangers finally got their guy(s), and only time will tell.

 

[RangerBoy]

When Gorton was running the Bruins with Chiarelli, rebuilding that team, which ultimately won the SC, they drafted Bergeron, Marchand, Krejci, etc...BUT, they also signed Chara as a FA from Ottawa. Without Chara, the Bruins don't win the cup, even though it took a few years to win it!
The point I'm trying to make, is that I think the Rangers will sign a true elite player if it makes sense $$/length wise. I'm also thinking that they trade SOME of the current young guys they've drafted/acquired, if they get other similar aged players, that fill holes in other positions.

Chara is the only free agent which ever worked out. The only free agent which won a major league award after signing.

One of out hundreds.

Gorton has also been the GM and part of the management team which has signed so many free agent duds.

Gorton does not have a magical touch.

 

[RangerBoy]

IMO, a Hayes deal will coincide with when management believes Andersson is ready for promotion.

Andersson is probably ready right now but the Rangers have no spot for him.

The trade market isn’t heating up for a while.

 

[NY Lito]

Chara is the only free agent which ever worked out. The only free agent which won a major league award after signing.

One of out hundreds.

Gorton has also been the GM and part of the management team which has signed so many free agent duds.

Gorton does not have a magical touch.

The only one which ever worked out? Lmao.

Yeah that Hossa signing was a real dud for the Hawks.

 

[haohmaru]

Chara is the only free agent which ever worked out. The only free agent which won a major league award after signing.

One of out hundreds.

Gorton has also been the GM and part of the management team which has signed so many free agent duds.

Gorton does not have a magical touch.

Well, that certainly explains your position on free agency.

It's also borderline delusional, but hey, you're entitled to your opinion.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Some people here are constantly ****ting on the Rangers scouting/drafting, but they knew what talent Pettersson had and traded up trying to get him, and they almost did too but Jim Benning got cold feet and took him at 5 instead of trading down to 8 with Buffalo.

The year before that they were close to trading for #4 from the oilers because they were targeting Clayton Keller. If not for Puljujarvi falling to 4 we'd have had him, too.

And then there was 2018. The detractors bemoaned us "reaching" for Kravtsov at 9 and "wasting" a 2nd to trade up for K'Andre Miller. Well its still early, but this year the Rangers finally got their guy(s), and only time will tell.

I take great pride in being right about Kravtsov so far. I loved the pick but man, did I have never-ending arguments with Ranger fans at the draft. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but what annoyed me was when they'd say "We drafted a kid I never even heard of". Some people just complain regardless of what the Rangers do.

 

[Tawnos]

The only one which ever worked out? Lmao.

Yeah that Hossa signing was a real dud for the Hawks.

It’s not like the team that just won the Cup had a free agent signing out up near PPG in the playoffs.

 

[RangerBoy]

The only one which ever worked out? Lmao.

Yeah that Hossa signing was a real dud for the Hawks.

Hossa didn’t work out at the end but he helped the Hawks. They had to give up a good young player to get rid of the contract.

The Hawks had all of the pieces in place. They lost to the Wings in WCF in 08-09. The Hawks has Toews and Kane. They just needed more experience. Both of them were just in their 2nd seasons. They signed Hossa in the summer of 2009.

If you have been paying attention, I have brought up the Hawks rebuild in comparison with the Rangers.

The Rangers need to build their team first and if they need to go out and get something for a push over the top, do it if it makes sense.

The timing is not right for the Rangers to add any expensive tickets right now.

The team is not ready to win.

Chara signed two extensions with Boston after his free agent contract expired.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

No, it's as simple as he's not scoring...

It's not flawed logic, just takes further consideration. To date, since being drafted (I liked the pick), he's done litte to make us think that an excellent rookie playoff performance will translate at a higher level.

Chytil, another highly-touted prospect, with an already good AHL showing, isn't performing as well as hoped (also worth noting 1C prospects usually perform better right away) but did produce in albeit a lesser Euro league.

I think the issue is that a lot of us consider any 1st round pick a top-10, a top-10, a top-5...Pastrnak's happen like once every 4-5 years. He was 9OA,ok? Not 3rd. I liked Kravtsov and wanted them to draft him since May enough where it's easy to forget that, outside the top-5, it'
s tough to have a pick contribute significantly before 21.

Just by odds alone, so many of us are banking on like a 1 in 100 chance he's the next Kuznetsov (not even the best comparison, IMO, Kovalev is closer). I HOPE he's better, but his season thus far is no indication of that.

You know that his production is basically equal with Kuznetzov's D+1 season production through the same amount of games right? (He's actually factored into more goals scored than EK did.)

AK has posted this like a billion different times and even got a Caps fan all butt hurt about it.

 

[haohmaru]

It’s not like the team that just won the Cup had a free agent signing out up near PPG in the playoffs.

Oshie?

 

[Graves94]

Chara is the only free agent which ever worked out. The only free agent which won a major league award after signing.

One of out hundreds.

Gorton has also been the GM and part of the management team which has signed so many free agent duds.

Gorton does not have a magical touch.

I never said Gorton has a magical touch, I was pointing out that what he's done in the past. Like they say, the future can be predicted by the past...

Also, it took the Bruins a couple of years after they signed Chara to win the cup, similar to when the Rangers won the cup in '94, 3 tears after we signed that bum Messier...guess another FA that worked out

 

[ElLeetch]

And then there was 2018. The detractors bemoaned us "reaching" for Kravtsov at 9 and "wasting" a 2nd to trade up for K'Andre Miller. Well its still early, but this year the Rangers finally got their guy(s), and only time will tell.

I wouldn't have minded 'wasting' that second to get Miller if we didnt then use our other 2nd to take a goalie.

 

[DutchShamrock]

Chara is the only free agent which ever worked out. The only free agent which won a major league award after signing.

One of out hundreds.

Gorton has also been the GM and part of the management team which has signed so many free agent duds.

Gorton does not have a magical touch.

Marc Savard played 279 games in his first 4 seasons and fell just shy of 300 points. To paraphrase Mitch Hedberg, an apple isn't bad because it ended as a core. His contract wasn't bad because of a heinous hit that literally changed the league.

Your position is sound, you don't need this hyperbole. This is a case to be made that panarin this summer is too soon. The caveat I would make is if we get an instant top 6, future top line center in this draft.

I would rather save my assets to get a defenseman instead of a wing. I don't want to reach for a wing because we are so weak there.

 

[LORDE]

I wouldn't have minded 'wasting' that second to get Miller if we didnt then use our other 2nd to take a goalie.

I tend to agree with this BUT I will say that Miller was a good get and seems to be getting even better.

IF he works out and becomes a legit 1st pair or even 2nd pair I doubt we will bitch down the road. But I agree about the other 2nd at this time.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

It's too early to judge anyone but I like Chytil,Andersson, Miller, Hajek, Pionk, DeAngelo, Howden, Kravtsov, Skjei, Lindqvist, and Shestyorkin as building blocks for this rebuild. It's like really early but I'm liking how that looks for the future.

 

[azrok22]

Chara is the only free agent which ever worked out. The only free agent which won a major league award after signing.

One of out hundreds.

Gorton has also been the GM and part of the management team which has signed so many free agent duds.

Gorton does not have a magical touch.

Winning a "major league award" seems like a pretty myopic standard to hold a free agent to when considering whether they worked out.

Take for example, Marian Gaborik. We signed him to a 5 year contract, and got 76 point and 86 point seasons out of him, which bookended a 48 point in 62 games season. In his fourth year, we traded him plus some throwaway prospects for: Derick Brassard, Derek Dorsett, John Moore, and a 6th round pick. We then got 45 point, 60 point, and 58 point seasons out of Brassard, before flipping him (and a 7th round pick) for Zibanejad and a 2nd round pick. While Gaborik may not have won any "major league awards" with us or after being traded he gave of 2 seasons of high end play and turned into multiple valuable assets. I would consider that a net positive and working out.

Scott Gomez did not set the world on fire in New York, but still produced a 70 point and 58 point season before being turned into McDonagh. I would sign that contract any day of the week with hindsight seeing how it worked out.

This offseason may or may not be the time for the Rangers to consider making a free agency splash and every player/contract demand needs to be considered on an case-by-case basis, but to say that only 1 free agent ever worked out is nothing but rhetoric. When doing a cost-benefit analysis, you don't even have to look past the Rangers recent history to find free agent signing that worked out, even where the players received much criticism while donning a blueshirt.