Player Discussion Fabian Lysell

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But yeah it's a small number of guys. But he could also be moved to the wing.

Good call on Gourde, and I am still not sure why it matters if they were drafted or not. There are a number of smaller centers in the NHL that are solid players.. I am not pumping Merk's tires in the sense that I think he is going to be a game-changer for Boston (though he could be), but making the point that they signed the guy knowing full well what he was- a smaller, skilled center, and he is producing in the AHL in that role at a level you expect a good prospect to do. Why not give him the chance to show what he can do in the NHL in the role where he has been successful and see what you've got? If he can't hack it, he can't. and away he goes. With the team lacking scoring talent and skill right now and sinking like a stone, there is no reason not to give Merk and Lysell (since this is his thread) a good long look and see what you have.

You missed the joke.

Someone had to say it :laugh:
 
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That's the Bruins.They are not scoring much though so it kind of goes against the need here.I was hoping and thought actually that the kid would be here by now.
I think not having a creative center to put him with ,the worry would be he would play as a one man team.

If he is going to play in Boston he needs to be with a solid center and NO its not Coyle
 
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He is probably a good bet to be a bust.Another brilliant 1st round pick by Swenious.Sweeney is dragging this franchise into the abyss.

Your expectations for late firsts is way too high. You either are getting guys with a lot of talent but some flaws that could sink them, or low ceiling guys. This was a take a swing pick and he just turned 22.
 
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That's the Bruins.They are not scoring much though so it kind of goes against the need here.I was hoping and thought actually that the kid would be here by now.

I think it was simply a case of them having Pasta-Coyle-Brazeau already dressing on RW, and with Frederic and then Marchand getting injured they wanted left-shot forwards for the road trip.
 
Stilll boggles my mind that Lysell was called up, played well and was immediately sent down and not called back up in the last 2 months
Did he really impress you that much, I didn't see it, but I will say he should be brought up now, and get this over with, and see what he has and have a find, or remove all doubt. Potras,, and Merkolov ,have had their shot, maybe give Merk a little more time, but to be honest, I am convinced any will work out , just not sold on any of the Bruins prospects.
 
Did he really impress you that much, I didn't see it, but I will say he should be brought up now, and get this over with, and see what he has and have a find, or remove all doubt. Potras,, and Merkolov ,have had their shot, maybe give Merk a little more time, but to be honest, I am convinced any will work out , just not sold on any of the Bruins prospects.
He didn’t look bad, got in on the forecheck and helped create a goal. Took some shots. Had one miss play maybe where they got hemmed in their own zone.

This team can’t score, you can pressure anyone on the powerplay and they fumble the puck/turn it over.

We just watched Wahlstrom get ~16 games over him, I don’t get it.

I’d say it’s a 50/50 coin flip on if he’d help or hurt the team the rest of the way but it’s silly to keep delaying that opportunity the way this seasons gone
 
He didn’t look bad, got in on the forecheck and helped create a goal. Took some shots. Had one miss play maybe where they got hemmed in their own zone.

This team can’t score, you can pressure anyone on the powerplay and they fumble the puck/turn it over.

We just watched Wahlstrom get ~16 games over him, I don’t get it.

I’d say it’s a 50/50 coin flip on if he’d help or hurt the team the rest of the way but it’s silly to keep delaying that opportunity the way this seasons gone
So if we call up Lysell and he plays the last 16 games or so and puts up numbers slightly better than Wahlstrom, then what? Is that really setting him up for success? What are we learning? That he can't produce on a team full of players who aren't producing?

As far as I'm concerned, this season is over for Boston. I'm more concerned with developing the few remaining prospects we have than throwing them into the fire because we don't have any better options.
 
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He didn’t look bad, got in on the forecheck and helped create a goal. Took some shots. Had one miss play maybe where they got hemmed in their own zone.

This team can’t score, you can pressure anyone on the powerplay and they fumble the puck/turn it over.

We just watched Wahlstrom get ~16 games over him, I don’t get it.

I’d say it’s a 50/50 coin flip on if he’d help or hurt the team the rest of the way but it’s silly to keep delaying that opportunity the way this seasons gone

Wahlstrom played mostly on the bottom two lines and has a much different skill set than Lysell.

Right or wrong, I think they have an idea of how they want their bottom 6 to play and want the skilled players in the top 6 and Lysell's skillset doesn't fit while Wahlstrom's did. Unfortunately, they seemed married to the idea that Coyle is a top 6 forward this year and they probably think Lysell has to wait until a spot on the 2nd line opens up to get his time.

I think they would have been much better off shuffling their lines around to include both Lysell and Poitras on the 2nd line with Marchand and move Lindholm/Coyle to the third as their checking/matchup line.


Geekie -- Zacha -- Pasta

Marchand -- Poitras -- Lysell

Frederic -- Lindholm -- Coyle

It's probably too late in the season for it to even matter now.
 
So if we call up Lysell and he plays the last 16 games or so and puts up numbers slightly better than Wahlstrom, then what? Is that really setting him up for success? What are we learning? That he can't produce on a team full of players who aren't producing?

As far as I'm concerned, this season is over for Boston. I'm more concerned with developing the few remaining prospects we have than throwing them into the fire because we don't have any better options.
Can’t learn if no real opportunity presents itself. I don’t think 16 games will ruin anything for Lysell. Maybe since Sacco sucks, but aside from that I see no real harm in getting an opportunity after 3 years learning in the Ahl.
Wahlstrom played mostly on the bottom two lines and has a much different skill set than Lysell.

Right or wrong, I think they have an idea of how they want their bottom 6 to play and want the skilled players in the top 6 and Lysell's skillset doesn't fit while Wahlstrom's did. Unfortunately, they seemed married to the idea that Coyle is a top 6 forward this year and they probably think Lysell has to wait until a spot on the 2nd line opens up to get his time.

I think they would have been much better off shuffling their lines around to include both Lysell and Poitras on the 2nd line with Marchand and move Lindholm/Coyle to the third as their checking/matchup line.


Geekie -- Zacha -- Pasta

Marchand -- Poitras -- Lysell

Frederic -- Lindholm -- Coyle

It's probably too late in the season for it to even matter now.
Yeah Coyle ain’t a top 6 player.
In that sense tho, Poitras has been in a third line role all season and he’s been knocked around a fair amount.

Bruins have to play a near perfect game to get a win this season when in reality they play about 10minutes of good hockey per game. If that. Obviously Lysell won’t fix any of that but the team could use a little more creativity and speed
 
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Here's the problem I have with Lysell and the matter of him playing in Boston.

There is a presumption that he should come up to Boston and see if he can be part of the solution to the Bruins lack of offense and speed and quality youth. But: he's 22, in his 3rd AHL season, and he's got 10 goals this season. Where does the presumption about his NHL contribution come from? "Why is he not in Boston?" One reason is that he isn't a world beater in the AHL.

It's not like this is an off season for him. He's got 39 career AHL goals (0 NHL, 1GP) in his 3 pro seasons. I would argue that he is not exactly kicking the door down to get into the Boston lineup. I also never buy the fantasy narrative that says the AHL player is not producing because they asked him to concentrate on other facets of his game. C'mon.

Despite that, I'm not writing him off because what's the reason to do so? I do think he should get time in Boston, an extended audition (meaning 10+ games with real minutes) and see what happens. For one thing, I completely don't buy the model that says that your bottom 6 players have to be rugged, defensively oriented, willing to mix it up, bigger, etc. Where "bottom 6" is code for "not very skillful but will play with jam." I'd like them to be a lot more flexible, a lot less rigid, about their notions of where certain players can and cannot play in the lineup. I mean Marchand was on the 4th line once upon a time.

All I'm saying is, it's not like Lysell is caught up in a conspiracy to hold down a player who really should be playing in Boston, at least in the sense where he has clearly earned that and there is an injustice going on, and if he comes up they are on their way to more goals. But given the state of the team and their need to start charting a different course for the future, why not give him and others a shot? At his age, in their situation, what's the harm? Worst case is he plays for a month, is ineffectual, and you reevaluate his path forward from there. I think it's very much an open question of how much he will produce at the NHL level but let's find out.

One of the most notable times when the Bruins made a really big pivot at the trade deadline, where they really shifted from win-now to the future, was in 1997 when they sent Oates, Tocchet, Ranford to the Capitals for Jason Allison, Anson Carter, Jim Carey, and draft picks. It was a slap in the face to fans at the time but it brought in some interesting younger players, some of who were a big part of the team for the years to come. This season sure looks like an opportunity to do something similar, at least to the extent of shipping out several veterans and hunkering down with youth and a future movement. In that scenario, Lysell would be the type of player you'd hand a job to, this season at least, and let's see what things look like heading into the summer.
 
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Here's the problem I have with Lysell and the matter of him playing in Boston.

There is a presumption that he should come up to Boston and see if he can be part of the solution to the Bruins lack of offense and speed and quality youth. But: he's 22, in his 3rd AHL season, and he's got 10 goals this season. Where does the presumption about his NHL contribution come from? "Why is he not in Boston?" One reason is that he isn't a world beater in the AHL.

It's not like this is an off season for him. He's got 39 career AHL goals (0 NHL, 1GP) in his 3 pro seasons. I would argue that he is not exactly kicking the door down to get into the Boston lineup. I also never buy the fantasy narrative that says the AHL player is not producing because they asked him to concentrate on other facets of his game. C'mon.

Despite that, I'm not writing him off because what's the reason to do so? I do think he should get time in Boston, an extended audition (meaning 10+ games with real minutes) and see what happens. For one thing, I completely don't buy the model that says that your bottom 6 players have to be rugged, defensively oriented, willing to mix it up, bigger, etc. Where "bottom 6" is code for "not very skillful but will play with jam." I'd like them to be a lot more flexible, a lot less rigid, about their notions of where certain players can and cannot play in the lineup. I mean Marchand was on the 4th line once upon a time.

All I'm saying is, it's not like Lysell is caught up in a conspiracy to hold down a player who really should be playing in Boston, at least in the sense where he has clearly earned that and there is an injustice going on, and if he comes up they are on their way to more goals. But given the state of the team and their need to start charting a different course for the future, why not give him and others a shot? At his age, in their situation, what's the harm? Worst case is he plays for a month, is ineffectual, and you reevaluate his path forward from there. I think it's very much an open question of how much he will produce at the NHL level but let's find out.

One of the most notable times when the Bruins made a really big pivot at the trade deadline, where they really shifted from win-now to the future, was in 1997 when they sent Oates, Tocchet, Ranford to the Capitals for Jason Allison, Anson Carter, Jim Carey, and draft picks. It was a slap in the face to fans at the time but it brought in some interesting younger players, some of who were a big part of the team for the years to come. This season sure looks like an opportunity to do something similar, at least to the extent of shipping out several veterans and hunkering down with youth and a future movement. In that scenario, Lysell would be the type of player you'd hand a job to, this season at least, and let's see what things look like heading into the summer.

I think it's because Lysell's skillet is exactly what the Bruins are in dire need of - speed and creativity to help transition up and into the offensive zone to hopefully create more chances. The Bruins have too many of the same type of average to slow plodding forwards and it hurts the transition game. The Bruins D right now is mostly constructed with guys who aren't going to thread the needle or rush the puck up with ice with enough speed and stick skills to make the opposing defense worried and need the forwards to be a little quicker to get open.
 

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