Player Discussion Fabian Lysell

[Dr Hook]

Every player who is ever drafted or sign is flawed and needs to become something more to make it in the NHL (OK, not Sid Crosby)

You draft/sign a player because they have a skillset and you believe they can augment that skillset and become well rounded players

To that I say they are not all going to become equally well-rounded. The Bruins for the most part have insisted their young players become complete players and play a certain way whether or not that complements their actual skills. I am not saying they shouldn't expect improvement, but Merk in particular has become a better player from when he was signed so I believe they should give him the opportunity to play without demanding that he be Patrice Bergeron in the center spot.

He played 1 year D1 at Ohio St.

Yeah my bad, I thought he did his four there. Doesn't change my point of view any, though.

 

[Coach Parker]

It just feels like to me that Sweeney has already decided he will trade him at the deadline which is why he doesn’t care to bring him up. More worried his NHL time would damage his stock and rather keep the allure of potential.

He was a Vancouver Giant...

 

[JoeIsAStud]

To that I say they are not all going to become equally well-rounded. The Bruins for the most part have insisted their young players become complete players and play a certain way whether or not that complements their actual skills. I am not saying they shouldn't expect improvement, but Merk in particular has become a better player from when he was signed so I believe they should give him the opportunity to play without demanding that he be Patrice Bergeron in the center spot.

Nobody is demanding he be Patrice Bergeron, but there is a huge difference between being elite in all aspects of the game, and being deficient in numerous aspects of the game . And certain basic aspects you need ike the ability to win a faceoff close to 50% of the time. no you don't have to be 57% although that along gets you a long way, but you can't be a 23% player either

 

[BruinDust]

My best friend is a die hard Oiler fan & he hates Bouchard calling him a turnover machine.The Oiler site here berates him weekly.Soon time to pay him and my buddy keeps telling me they are not doing that.Can't wait till they hand him 9 or 10 million

I like D-men who play 25 mins. a night and post 32 points in 25 playoff games on the way to a Game 7 of a cup finals. Not sure why Oiler fans wouldn't.

Nathan MacKinnon is 2nd in the NHL in giveaways (82) while also being the league's defending MVP and leading scorer. Bouchard is 4th (81), just above Kucherov (80). I guess Oiler fans wouldn't want them either. The vast majority of guys who lead the league in giveaways are point producers. You touch the puck a lot, you tend to turn the puck over a lot, giveaways will happen.

An interesting anomaly among the league leaders in giveaways is Nikita Zadorov. Like I mention above, the rest are all point producers for the most part, here sits Zadorov with 11 points while being 11th in giveaways with 75. The Bruins have the most D-men in the Top 50 (4 - Zadorov, Lohrei, McAvoy, Carlo), next is Vegas with 3 (Theodore, Hanifin, Pietrangelo). Both teams play a similar style in the defensive zone (Box +1). Is there a correlation there?

 

[Dr Hook]

Nobody is demanding he be Patrice Bergeron, but there is a huge difference between being elite in all aspects of the game, and being deficient in numerous aspects of the game . And certain basic aspects you need ike the ability to win a faceoff close to 50% of the time. no you don't have to be 57% although that along gets you a long way, but you can't be a 23% player either

The guy took one draw in his three games this season. I don't know what his FO% is at Providence- the AHL doesn't seem to have those stats available that I could find. Anyway, the Bruins are holding players like him to standards that their NHL players are not living up to as @Absurdity pointed out, and it's frustrating, Maybe Merk never makes it but it looks like, right now, that we will never get a chance to find out because he has to play the "right" way. And again, if they were a strong team, winning games, firmly in the playoffs, then I would understand more. RIght now they are not and could use whatever help they can get to get the PP going, the offense clicking a little better, etc. and they have some players that *might* be able to help with that if they could give them a chance to do so.

Anyway, we don't have to agree on this. I am not a fan of how the Bruins handle their prospects generally speaking, and have not been for quite some time, and this is just one more example.

 

[NDiesel]

I don't know. Seems like they made that exact choice with Lohrei last year.... despite being far from a polished player at the American League level.

Pastrnak went through most of those growing pains in the NHL as well. He still gets caught committing awful turnovers, attempting 1 on 3 entries, and can get pushed aside by bigger players. I'd argue him and Marchand are your biggest sinners when it comes to forcing the issue. Obviously that leash is earned, but most offensive players have some level of risk/reward.

This is the player you drafted. If you wanted PJ Axelson, don't draft this player in the first place. Nothing about this player at 17/18 suggested he was going to be a guy that plays in the trenches or has a strong defensive mistake free game.

I wish I could like this post 100 times more. The consistent need for this team to draft one type of player and try to morph then into a boring, vanilla, 200ft player is crazy. I get needing to not be a liability but it seems they always take it a step too far.

Why draft a Lysell if you want him to turn into something he was never going to be?

It's one of the biggest reasons this team can't develop forward prospects very well over the last decade, they either draft 200ft players with limited offensive potential or try to turn every guy into 200ft players at the expense of offense.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

i think most fans would like to see lysell get an extended look, sink or swim.
but this is also the weekend viewpoint from mark divver, who watches the guy every night.
seems like he either lacks IQ or just wants to do things his way. guess we'll see how that goes.


— Fabian Lysell’s speed was evident on Sunday, as it often is, but you can’t overlook the same mistakes being repeated, game in and game out. The turnovers, the 1 on 3 entries, getting pushed aside by bigger players, too much time on the perimeter instead of inside.

The rest of the roster is doing the same. Might as well give Lysell a chance to succeed or build trade value.

 

[CellyHard]

Why not? He's a center by trade and was one when the Bruins signed after four years of D1 hockey. They didn't spend a draft pick or an asset to get him, so why bother with it if he can't play center in the NHL?

I'm not a Merk guy either. Find me one NHL center who was undrafted, under 6 foot, under 180lbs and plays an offensive game. Trust me, you won't be able to. The only guys who even fit that type of physique are like Jack Hughes and Brayden Point who have elite talent.

The only way a guy like Merkulov cracks the NHL is as a winger. There is just no comp for him in the NHL unless he is somehow one of a kind...

Imagine a series with Barkov, Bennet and Lundell lining up against Merlulov He would get absolutely owned.

I get we need change but it needs to be realistic.

Merkulov would be lucky to carve out a career like Lettieri but he'll leave to the KHL before then

 

[quietbruinfan]

I like D-men who play 25 mins. a night and post 32 points in 25 playoff games on the way to a Game 7 of a cup finals. Not sure why Oiler fans wouldn't.

Nathan MacKinnon is 2nd in the NHL in giveaways (82) while also being the league's defending MVP and leading scorer. Bouchard is 4th (81), just above Kucherov (80). I guess Oiler fans wouldn't want them either. The vast majority of guys who lead the league in giveaways are point producers. You touch the puck a lot, you tend to turn the puck over a lot, giveaways will happen.

An interesting anomaly among the league leaders in giveaways is Nikita Zadorov. Like I mention above, the rest are all point producers for the most part, here sits Zadorov with 11 points while being 11th in giveaways with 75. The Bruins have the most D-men in the Top 50 (4 - Zadorov, Lohrei, McAvoy, Carlo), next is Vegas with 3 (Theodore, Hanifin, Pietrangelo). Both teams play a similar style in the defensive zone (Box +1). Is there a correlation there?

Like the post, but fwiw, i do not see a correlation. The only similarity I see as that both teams expect their d to drive the team more than the forwards.

Forgive my ignorance, but don't all teams play zone or box in 1? Some have more man to man elements. Carolina comes to mind.

Last coach I can remember playing a lot of man to man was Ron Wilson 12-15 years ago.

 

[BruinDust]

Like the post, but fwiw, i do not see a correlation. The only similarity I see as that both teams expect their d to drive the team more than the forwards.

Forgive my ignorance, but don't all teams play zone or box in 1? Some have more man to man elements. Carolina comes to mind.

Last coach I can remember playing a lot of man to man was Ron Wilson 12-15 years ago.

Pittsburgh with Sullivan played man on man. Montreal does it now under St. Louis. Carolina now.

Probably just a coincidence and there is nothing to take away from Boston and Vegas both having their Top 3-4 D-men (obviously for this exercise Lindholm doesn't count) all be among the leaders in giveaways.

 

[22Brad Park]

I like D-men who play 25 mins. a night and post 32 points in 25 playoff games on the way to a Game 7 of a cup finals. Not sure why Oiler fans wouldn't.

Nathan MacKinnon is 2nd in the NHL in giveaways (82) while also being the league's defending MVP and leading scorer. Bouchard is 4th (81), just above Kucherov (80). I guess Oiler fans wouldn't want them either. The vast majority of guys who lead the league in giveaways are point producers. You touch the puck a lot, you tend to turn the puck over a lot, giveaways will happen.

An interesting anomaly among the league leaders in giveaways is Nikita Zadorov. Like I mention above, the rest are all point producers for the most part, here sits Zadorov with 11 points while being 11th in giveaways with 75. The Bruins have the most D-men in the Top 50 (4 - Zadorov, Lohrei, McAvoy, Carlo), next is Vegas with 3 (Theodore, Hanifin, Pietrangelo). Both teams play a similar style in the defensive zone (Box +1). Is there a correlation there?

Hey I think he is getting paid, but I saw a few Oilers fans crowing about him.As I said,my buddy would argue blue in face, Oilers will not pay him.Can't wait to see it

 

[quietbruinfan]

Pittsburgh with Sullivan played man on man. Montreal does it now under St. Louis. Carolina now.

Probably just a coincidence and there is nothing to take away from Boston and Vegas both having their Top 3-4 D-men (obviously for this exercise Lindholm doesn't count) all be among the leaders in giveaways.

Thanks, I still consider Pitt and Carolina a mix-particularly Pitt. MtL though is a different matter.

 

[Dr Hook]

I'm not a Merk guy either. Find me one NHL center who was undrafted, under 6 foot, under 180lbs and plays an offensive game. Trust me, you won't be able to. The only guys who even fit that type of physique are like Jack Hughes and Brayden Point who have elite talent.

The only way a guy like Merkulov cracks the NHL is as a winger. There is just no comp for him in the NHL unless he is somehow one of a kind...

Imagine a series with Barkov, Bennet and Lundell lining up against Merlulov He would get absolutely owned.

I get we need change but it needs to be realistic.

Merkulov would be lucky to carve out a career like Lettieri but he'll leave to the KHL before then

We’ll never know till we try, and what does it matter if he was drafted or not? People develop differently. I think it’s realistic to take a look- at least as realistic as you declaring he’ll be lucky to be Lettieri.

Chances are the guy flames out like most prospects but what’s the harm in seeing what you’ve got? It’s not like the team is firing on all cylinders and can’t risk upsetting the vibe.

 

[BlackFrancis]

Some of what Divver says is 100% true. Lysell's struggles are almost always the same at every level. But he's right at the cusp of the NHL now. He got time and immersion at every lower level and showed production, except for his age 17 SHL season. If Lysell is basically around PPG now, being all flawed and shit, what the hell is he supposed to be as an AHL player after working through those flaws? Mario LeGretsky, killer of frozen worlds? Has there been a 200 point AHL season?

I'm getting old and my brain is starting to rot, but I do not recall Mark Divver critiquing Zach Senyshyn or Jack Studnicka. I can't seem to find the tweet where he told his followers that Jakub Lauko has hands like feet. Or that every non-North American defenseman they've had in Providence has been absolute trash.

Lysell still needs to realize he's got teammates when he's on the rush, especially when he's been sub-par at scoring goals this season. Mark Divver needs to work on criticizing more than one player, even if it will get him less attention on twitter.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Some of what Divver says is 100% true. Lysell's struggles are almost always the same at every level. But he's right at the cusp of the NHL now. He got time and immersion at every lower level and showed production, except for his age 17 SHL season. If Lysell is basically around PPG now, being all flawed and shit, what the hell is he supposed to be as an AHL player after working through those flaws? Mario LeGretsky, killer of frozen worlds? Has there been a 200 point AHL season?

I'm getting old and my brain is starting to rot, but I do not recall Mark Divver critiquing Zach Senyshyn or Jack Studnicka. I can't seem to find the tweet where he told his followers that Jakub Lauko has hands like feet. Or that every non-North American defenseman they've had in Providence has been absolute trash.

Lysell still needs to realize he's got teammates when he's on the rush, especially when he's been sub-par at scoring goals this season. Mark Divver needs to work on criticizing more than one player, even if it will get him less attention on twitter.

I would think Divver would say he needs to "dig in" more like Patrick Brown does.

 

[Dr Hook]

I would think Divver would say he needs to "dig in" more like Patrick Brown does.

And Brown has sure carved out an enviable NHL career by "digging in."

 

[BlackFrancis]

I would think Divver would say he needs to "dig in" more like Patrick Brown does.

Place really needs a wincing emote/sticker. That "dig in" got me in the beans.

 

[Dr Hook]

Place really needs a wincing emote/sticker. That "dig in" got me in the beans.

I wince whenever I hear that Patrick Brown (and nothing against the guy, truly) or someone like him is the archetype of the Bruins way to play the game.