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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIII

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Edge said:
2020 is probably a good target to take a big step forward.

The highest pick will probably be 2019. Depending on who the Rangers get, 2020 will most likely be lower. How much lower depends on who they get in 2019. If Hughes is a Ranger, that 2020 pick is not going to top be a top 3 pick without winning the lottery, and the truth is that it might not even be a top 10 pick otherwise. Not to say it wouldn't still be an important pick, and a chance to nab a very good talent.

I just don't think taking Hughes or Kakko results in an equally high pick the next year --- both guys would have too much of an impact.
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Just to play devil’s advocate, but, the Pens had Crosby and the Caps had Ovechkin in 2005-6, and they both drafted top five after that season.
 
BBKers said:
I think the Rangers will make a move right after the road trip. Maybe minor. But a small shakeup. I think we will see lots of m0vement until the TDL and maybe at next years draft too. GMJG has his work cut out. For sure.
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I don't think the holdup in the Rangers making a move right now is the Rangers. The truck has already been backed up. They need buyers.
 
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NYR Viper said:
The Rangers have a very real possibility of having (8) 1st rounders in a matter of 3 years. When was the last time that happened to any team?
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Seriously

And yet somehow people seem to believe that this will be a 5 season process of getting top picks with this year being the first

If you've had that many top picks over 3 years and things don't change, it's time to scrap everything and start over. Gorton doesn't have 5 more season in him to get this ship straightened out
 
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NYR Viper said:
The Rangers have a very real possibility of having (8) 1st rounders in a matter of 3 years. When was the last time that happened to any team?
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Boston had 9 in 3 years between 1969 and 1971, Montreal had 9 between 1970 and 1972, and then 10 in 3 years between 1974 and 1976
 
DanielBrassard said:
Pretty much anyone can replace Staal and be an upgrade, Freddy Claesson would be a smart signing and he should be cheap and is much better than Staal and probably better than Smith as well. I would like to believe Rykov and Hajek would be able to replace them soon as well. It's not going to be easy to find a bonafide top-pairing defenseman, but I don't think that's a necessity. And maybe in a couple years if a team like Anaheim goes through a rebuild, a Lindholm becomes available and the Rangers can acquire him with some of their draft capital.
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This is hyperbole and doesn't address the fact that we don't have anyone ready to fill those roles on a cup competitive team.
 
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Edge said:
2020 is probably a good target to take a big step forward.

The highest pick will probably be 2019. Depending on who the Rangers get, 2020 will most likely be lower. How much lower depends on who they get in 2019. If Hughes is a Ranger, that 2020 pick is not going to top be a top 3 pick without winning the lottery, and the truth is that it might not even be a top 10 pick otherwise. Not to say it wouldn't still be an important pick, and a chance to nab a very good talent.

I just don't think taking Hughes or Kakko results in an equally high pick the next year --- both guys would have too much of an impact.
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adding panarin and hughes and shesty as hanks backup and heir apparent would be a fine start imo.

moving the guys discussed here for picks at the TD or before would help too. having 3-4 1sts this draft would be nice. plus 2nds. next 2 drafts plus last draft will be watershed moments.

agreed 2020 draft wont be for 1OA. this yr might be though so the hughes thing is a real thing. the tank is real and if we move those names, the tank will be not only real but a guarantee.

more kicks at the can or more picks to move for young cost controlled roster players.

the rebuild can be 2 yrs.

we have options.
 
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The reason so many people are interested in Panarin is that if he reaches UFA, he would be in very select company with the likes of Chara, Tavares and Scott Niedermayer as true star players available as free agents. It's a short list. I have no interest in overpaying a middle class player (although I wouldn't mind signing a grunt or two)
 
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jas said:
Just to play devil’s advocate, but, the Pens had Crosby and the Caps had Ovechkin in 2005-6, and they both drafted top five after that season.
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I would say it’s not impossible, just somewhat unlikely.

In the context of this discussion we’re talking Hughes on top of some combination of Zibanejad, Kravtsov, Buchneivich Kreider, Chytil, Andersson, Howden and company. In that scenario, I’d also fully expect the team to after someone like Panarin as well and probably a few other guys.

So it would be Hughes+what’s already in place+What they’d bring in that scenario.

Is that necessarily a playoff team? Depends.

Is that a top 5 pick team? Probably not.
 
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I think many people would be surprised by interest levels in Shattenkirk around the league.

This is a guy less than two years from a 56 point campaign, and even hurt was roughly at his career pace last season.

For a strong team looking for a second pairing guy to bring some offense, and not a top pairing guy, he’s not a crazy option.

Not saying he’s got one foot out the door, but I don’t think he’s an immovable boulder either.
 
Edge said:
I think many people would be surprised by interest levels in Shattenkirk around the league.

This is a guy less than two years from a 56 point campaign, and even hurt was roughly at his career pace last season.

For a strong team looking for a second pairing guy to bring some offense, and not a top pairing guy, he’s not a crazy option.

Not saying he’s got one foot out the door, but I don’t think he’s an immovable boulder either.
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People thought we'd get a 3rd round pick for Rick Nash.
 
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I'd argue that there is almost no template for Panarin. UFA used to be 31. Then it went to 27 or 7 years. Almost no impact player made it to that point. There is no road map for a rebuilding team getting this type of player at this age. Most rebuilding teams were unpopular destinations, so it wasn't an option. No one wanted to go to Edmonton in their prime.

Edge brings up the solid point that Panarin is a constant, if added. He blocks no one, takes pressure from youth, still in his prime. It's not a question that we can answer today, fortunately that can can be kicked for another 8 months.
 
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bobbop said:
I don't think the holdup in the Rangers making a move right now is the Rangers. The truck has already been backed up. They need buyers.
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You're wrong. Their plan is to compete for a playoff spot. That possibility is still there, then they won't trade their best players now.

Unless Nylander for Zucc happens ;)
 
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Hypothetical lineup for 2019 if Rangers win Lottery:

Panarin 7/73.5
Claesson 2/3.4
Pionk 2/4
ADA 2/4
Buch 2/7

Kreider-Hughes-Buch
Panarin-Zibanejad-Kravtsov
Namestnikov-Chytil-Fast
Vesey-Howden-Lettieri
Beleskey

Skjei-Pionk
Claesson-Shattenkirk
Smith-ADA
Staal

Hank
Shestyorkin

Salary cap: 82.5m
Cap room: 3.2M

Add in potentially 2 other 1sts this draft, plus other picks, Andersson, Hajek, Rykov most likely NHL ready, and even potential buyouts for Staal/Smith and it gives the Rangers a ton of maneuverability. There's no reason this team shouldn't be able to be in a great spot sooner than later. Add in that Shattenkirk, Smith, Staal, and Hank will all be off the books at the latest 2021 and there's no reason not to sign Panarin.
 
Go Away Staal said:
It really isn’t.

We have better in house options. They don’t need to be cup competitive ready, the team isn’t close to that either
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In every second post, you criticize Staal, so forgive me if I question your objectivity in this case.

The original post which led to my response was regarding Panarin and the thought that we would waste his first 2 years here, if we were to sign him. Better than Staal or not, none of our defensive prospects are likely to assume a big role on this team in the next 2 years.
 
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GAGLine said:
In every second post, you criticize Staal, so forgive me if I question your objectivity in this case.

The original post which led to my response was regarding Panarin and the thought that we would waste his first 2 years here, if we were to sign him. Better than Staal or not, none of our defensive prospects are likely to assume a big role on this team in the next 2 years.
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You can question it all you want but he’s a terrible hockey player who has no business getting regular minutes, even on this team which has been pretty f***ing bad.

Staal has basically been used as a bottom
Pairing guy this year. Those aren’t hard minutes to replace.
 
Go Away Staal said:
You can question it all you want but he’s a terrible hockey player who has no business getting regular minutes, even on this team which has been pretty ****ing bad.

Staal has basically been used as a bottom
Pairing guy this year. Those aren’t hard minutes to replace.
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Again, you are missing the point that was being made.
 
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