Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIII

[HatTrick Swayze]

I like the Gaborik analogy RE Panarin.

He’s an elite player who is an easy “yes” in a vacuum.

But the NYR are still 1-2 really big pieces away even with him, ideally acquired through the draft for cost control. If Panarin props the NYR up into the dreaded middle it may do more harm than good. Though let’s see how the next 8 months go first...

 

[Edge]

I like the Gaborik analogy RE Panarin.

He’s an elite player who is an easy “yes” in a vacuum.

But the NYR are still 1-2 really big pieces away even with him, ideally acquired through the draft for cost control. If Panarin props the NYR up into the dreaded middle it may do more harm than good. Though let’s see how the next 8 months go first...

Depending on how the prospects develop, and the draft shakes out, I’m not sure they’re inching toward dreaded middle ground anyway starting next year. So in that sense, I don’t know if it’s a move focused on being a finishing touch, so much as a move that could be beneficial to a team that could have a quartet of young centers and no great options to pair with them.

 

[nyrage]

Holy cow, a winning streak

 

[bobbop]

I like the Gaborik analogy RE Panarin.

He’s an elite player who is an easy “yes” in a vacuum.

But the NYR are still 1-2 really big pieces away even with him, ideally acquired through the draft for cost control. If Panarin props the NYR up into the dreaded middle it may do more harm than good. Though let’s see how the next 8 months go first...

The Rangers look to have their center ice covered for the next several years. The need shooters on the wing to fill out the lineup. There's no better rifleman likely to come available than Panarin. Im not worried about the dreaded middle when I can add a first line star.

Gaborik, when healthy, was an excellent player. The Ranger got two real good seasons from Gaborik, primarily when he was healthy. The difference between Gaborik and Panarin is that the Bread Man has been healthy throughout his career. I lived in Minnesota 2005-08 and Gaborik was just wonderful to watch when he was on the ice. He played 190 of 246 possible games during those three seasons and still managed to score 110 goals. When was a big issue. At 31, Gaborik had started to decline when the Rangers moved him but knowing his injury history that was easy to predict. Not every player declines at 31.

 

[RGY]

They have stockpiled multiple 1st round picks over the last 2 years. 5 to be exact. They will have at least 6 in 3 years. If signing Panarin only puts them in the middle of the pack for the next several years then they have the wrong personnel in management and the scouting department especially. Sure next year they might be in the middle with Panarin, but you are not signing Panarin for next year, youre signing him for the following year.

 

[Mikos87]

Let's say things work out with Kravstov. And you get Panarin.

You've got your scoring issues solved. Look, the Rangers will have a window of contention from 2022-2027.

Is Panarin going to be great then, probably not.

But you've got another 3 years in between to put a decent product together.

I know some of you are against guys getting paid

But from a pure $$ perspective, what bothers you more, the $8M Names and Spooner are making next year, or Panarin getting $9M?

Sure term is going to be different, but you can still bottom out with a star player if the kids aren't ready.

When they are ready, a game breaker like Panarin helps you take the next step.

 

[RangerBoy]

With Hayes there was probably the hope that maybe he would shine in his chance to be a second line center for the team, put it all together and maybe hit that 25 goal, 55 point range. Unfortunately, that does not look like it's going to happen.

I also think there was some concern about going into the season without having a better understanding of where Andersson, Chytil and Howden were at. Several months later, that picture is at least a little more clear.

But the odds of signing Hayes long-term were always less than 50/50, at least in my opinion.

Did they really believe Hayes was going to take that next step at the age of 26 and in his 5th year in the league?

Gorton should have moved Hayes in the summer at the draft or before July 1.

That is not a second guess.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Such a predictable thing happening with Hayes

Never believed Gorton’s BS about “we’ll see if he fits long term”. They clearly came to that conclusion when they gave him the one year deal. Why they let him talk to the media and say he wants to be a Ranger long term is so stupid

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Hopefully Winnipeg goes in a slump and wants Hayes, he would fit that team pretty good I think.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Such a predictable thing happening with Hayes

Never believed Gorton’s BS about “we’ll see if he fits long term”. They clearly came to that conclusion when they gave him the one year deal. Why they let him talk to the media and say he wants to be a Ranger long term is so stupid

They obviously couldnt get what they wanted for him at the deadline last year.

 

[offdacrossbar]

hayes wont be here longterm. hes more valuable to this team as a future 1st rounder

play well, raise value, profit.

hughes
zib
howden
andersson

damn thats sexy right there.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I really dont think we will be in the running for Hughes, I think Quinn is going to coach this team out of the bottom. But I think we have all the centers we need now really, I would like to find a couple more wingers and maybe a true #1 dman. If we can add Panarin we move the rebuild ahead a year.

 

[eco's bones]

Oh they totally bottomed out which we're not doing here.

This is the only year where we have a legit shot at finishing bottom 5 IMO.

Well you never know---the team in future could have a year where all their top players are injured.....but you're probably right.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

I don't know what you guys are seeing with Hayes. The points aren't there because he is a playmaker with no real finishers.

He still looks like one of our better players night in and night out. Sure he is too passive at times, but thats who he has always been.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I really dont think we will be in the running for Hughes, I think Quinn is going to coach this team out of the bottom. But I think we have all the centers we need now really, I would like to find a couple more wingers and maybe a true #1 dman. If we can add Panarin we move the rebuild ahead a year.

They have one regulation win this year which came against a third string goalie.

Don’t let their proficiency in a skills competition fool you, this team is going to be right there.

 

[GAGLine]

Even after winning 2, we are still on pace for 69 points, which would put us at 3rd worst last year.

 

[Edge]

Did they really believe Hayes was going to take that next step at the age of 26 and in his 5th year in the league?

Gorton should have moved Hayes in the summer at the draft or before July 1.

That is not a second guess.

Why not? Zibanejad and Kreider certainly seem to be doing well in Quinn’s system.

Wasn’t that one of the primary beefs with AV in the first place — the number of guys he was missing and “holding back”?

I’m sure Gorton would’ve considered moving him this summer if there was a deal on the table. But I think most of us would probably agree that there wasn’t a great market this summer.

 

[NYR Viper]

Why not? Zibanejad and Kreider certainly seem to be doing well in Quinn’s system.

Wasn’t that one of the primary beefs with AV in the first place — the number of guys he was missing and “holding back”?

I’m sure Gorton would’ve considered moving him this summer if there was a deal on the table. But I think most of us would probably agree that there wasn’t a great market this summer.

I think that has something to do with it, along with the fact that not many of the teams who wanted Hayes likely could fit him in without dumping a bad salary (which Gorton may not be keen on) as well as the fact that the Rangers were hoping at least 2/3 of Andersson, Howden and Chytil would make the team and swim almost immediately. That's with Hayes in the line-up.

 

[Edge]

I think that has something to do with it, along with the fact that not many of the teams who wanted Hayes likely could fit him in without dumping a bad salary (which Gorton may not be keen on) as well as the fact that the Rangers were hoping at least 2/3 of Andersson, Howden and Chytil would make the team and swim almost immediately. That's with Hayes in the line-up.

Agreed, and that was something that was discussed as well.

I think it’s easy to say Gorton should move this guy, or that guy. But the reality is that you have to not only find a willing trade partner, but you have to find a match in terms of assets.

Zucc and Hayes will get their returns in good time, and ultimately the market will decide what those returns will be. But I don’t think the best offer has yet surfaced for Hayes.

 

[RangerBoy]

Why not? Zibanejad and Kreider certainly seem to be doing well in Quinn’s system.

Wasn’t that one of the primary beefs with AV in the first place — the number of guys he was missing and “holding back”?

I’m sure Gorton would’ve considered moving him this summer if there was a deal on the table. But I think most of us would probably agree that there wasn’t a great market this summer.

Zibanejad and Kreider are both better players than Hayes. It’s not even in the same ballpark. The Rangers have so many young center options.
Will the market be better this February with so many other rentals available?

I hope Hayes pads his stats and the Rangers get a quality return for him.

Time will tell.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Zibanejad and Kreider are both better players than Hayes. It’s not even in the same ballpark. The Rangers have so many young center options.
Will the market be better this February with so many other rentals available?

I hope Hayes pads his stats and the Rangers get a quality return for him.

Time will tell.

How many rental centers will be available? Most of them will probably be bottom six pk/faceoff specialists

I’d rather they start unloading now if they can get the right price for their guys but that needs to happen first.

 

[Edge]

Zibanejad and Kreider are both better players than Hayes. It’s not even in the same ballpark. The Rangers have so many young center options.
Will the market be better this February with so many other rentals available?

I hope Hayes pads his stats and the Rangers get a quality return for him.

Time will tell.

I don’t think the question was whether Hayes was as good as Kreider and Zibanejad, so much as whether he could be better in an increased role and a different system. The expectation wasn’t for him to become a 65 point player, but maybe cross that threshold into 50 point territory.

Don’t know if the market will be better in February, but I can tell it certainly wasn’t great this summer. So doubling back to an earlier comment, even if we throw away any hope attached to Hayes coming into this season, I don’t think we left a great deal on the table to see what he was going to do.

 

[Kovalev27]

If we don’t get a franchise centerman in this draft we will have another decade of good teams and no Cups.

As much as I like the kids none are franchise guys. We’ve got to hit bottom at some point this franchise has to hit the bottom so we can eventually win a championship.

Zibanejad Chytil Howden Andersson are not THAT Guy. Hughes or Dach very well could be.

 

[NYR Viper]

How many rental centers will be available? Most of them will probably be bottom six pk/faceoff specialists

I’d rather they start unloading now if they can get the right price for their guys but that needs to happen first.

There may be;
Duchene
Spezza
Dzingel
Brassard?
Gourde?
E Staal?
Filpulla

Some of these guys won't move due to where their team is. Some will though.

 

[Leetch3]

I see zibanejad as part of the long term solution whether it be as a center (hopefully behind the new franchise center) or wing...he's only 25. it would take a monster return for me to deal him.