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I think they made that decision as soon as they signed him to a one year deal.
Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIII
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I think they made that decision as soon as they signed him to a one year deal.
Edge
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With Hayes there was probably the hope that maybe he would shine in his chance to be a second line center for the team, put it all together and maybe hit that 25 goal, 55 point range. Unfortunately, that does not look like it's going to happen.
I also think there was some concern about going into the season without having a better understanding of where Andersson, Chytil and Howden were at. Several months later, that picture is at least a little more clear.
But the odds of signing Hayes long-term were always less than 50/50, at least in my opinion.
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
Shattenkirk is fine, so let us leave him off your list. Buying out Staal is relatively easy and painless, and Smith is probably tradeable even if the Rangers have to take some salary. I don't see why they would be here unless the Rangers are still rebuilding.
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Even if you get rid of those guys, who is replacing them? We need guys who can play top pair. Skjei is good, but is probably better off on the 2nd pair. None of our prospects are likely to ready for that type of role in the next 2 years. Maybe Miller can be a top pair guy. Maybe Keane can as well, or we end up drafting someone to fill that role, but it will be a few years before they are ready to contribute in a significant way.
Rebuilding teams do not sign 27 year old free agents.
Panarin will not put the Rangers over the top and he will prevent them from being bad enough to get a top pick.
If you spend that type of money, you better make sure it's the right move. I was listening to Nick Kypreos on Tuesday afternoon talk about Tavares. Matthews is out with a shoulder injury. The Leafs lost to the Flames on Monday night. Kyper is saying how Tavares isn't that commanding presence on the ice. The guy is a good player but he doesn't have an impact on the game. If you watched him with the Islanders, Tavares wasn't even the Islanders best player last season. Kyper didn't say it but JT is not worth $11 per.
Chara is the only recent free agent signing to win a major award. He won the Norris in 2008.
These guys get paid only because they are available for money but the team needs to getting the short end of the stick in that deal.
The Rangers have a very long way to go.
Panarin will not put the Rangers over the top and he will prevent them from being bad enough to get a top pick.
If you spend that type of money, you better make sure it's the right move. I was listening to Nick Kypreos on Tuesday afternoon talk about Tavares. Matthews is out with a shoulder injury. The Leafs lost to the Flames on Monday night. Kyper is saying how Tavares isn't that commanding presence on the ice. The guy is a good player but he doesn't have an impact on the game. If you watched him with the Islanders, Tavares wasn't even the Islanders best player last season. Kyper didn't say it but JT is not worth $11 per.
Chara is the only recent free agent signing to win a major award. He won the Norris in 2008.
These guys get paid only because they are available for money but the team needs to getting the short end of the stick in that deal.
The Rangers have a very long way to go.
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Funnily enoigh, my wife and I use the word sporcle to reference...errr....something else.
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Kris King's Ghost
Yeah, I think we all need to remember that just as prospects will be coming in in waves, other players will be leaving much the same way. It won't be all at once.
This year, Hayes, Zucc and McQ are your most likely candidates because of their contracts. Kreider and Zibanejad are dark horse candidates, but that remains to be seen and I have a feeling Kreider signs an extension.
Other guys, be it Shattenkirk, Namestnikov, Spooner, etc. are most likely further out.
But in most cases, for the next little while, a good rule of thumb will be a player's contract. If the contract is up, or contains a movement clause, they will be a more likely candidate to be moved.
If there is term left, and the Rangers don't have anyone pushing for the spot, they are more likely to stay.
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GeorgeKaplan
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We need to be bad to get #1 picks like.............Tavares
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
Pretty much anyone can replace Staal and be an upgrade, Freddy Claesson would be a smart signing and he should be cheap and is much better than Staal and probably better than Smith as well. I would like to believe Rykov and Hajek would be able to replace them soon as well. It's not going to be easy to find a bonafide top-pairing defenseman, but I don't think that's a necessity. And maybe in a couple years if a team like Anaheim goes through a rebuild, a Lindholm becomes available and the Rangers can acquire him with some of their draft capital.
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Kris King's Ghost
In broad principle I agree with you.
But I do think there are two potential factors to consider, that might come into play.
The first is the young centers the Rangers have coming up in the system. In theory, we're talking about as many as 3 rookie centers finding their footing in the next year to year and a half. We're also faced with a lack of prospects coming up on the wings right now. I think there might be a desire them to give them the support they need on the wings.
The second is who the Rangers end up with in this draft. If they do come away with Hughes, I can bet you they will be particularly focused on how they can bolster the wings. With or without Panarin, if they end up with someone like Hughes or Kakko, and maybe to a lesser extent Dach or Cozens, the odds of them getting a top pick in 2020 goes down considerably.
I think the Rangers know this as well, which is why there is a particular focus on this draft once again featuring multiple first round picks --- potentially as many as four. Though I can also tell you that if the Rangers ended up with four first round picks, I think they'd once again look to make a move up with the second of those picks.
NYR Viper
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The defense will need to be addressed. It's in the Rangers best interest to try and develop Pionk and ADA this season so they can be no brainers next year along with Skjei. All of the other guys should be sent packing where possible:
Rykov
Hajek
Lindgren
Bigras
Outside shot for:
Keane
Miller
I wouldn't be upset if they kept one of Smith/Staal for another year IF they can trade Shattenkirk and one of Smith/Staal. That would give an opportunity to 2 guys from the above group
Rykov
Hajek
Lindgren
Bigras
Outside shot for:
Keane
Miller
I wouldn't be upset if they kept one of Smith/Staal for another year IF they can trade Shattenkirk and one of Smith/Staal. That would give an opportunity to 2 guys from the above group
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Machinehead
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Some people want the team to take steps back now to take steps forward in the future. Others just want to watch the world burn.
Tawnos
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sure they do rebuilds can be quick panarin is a top end player
next season the goal should be to start pushing for a playoff spot.
now as far as hayes. I have no idea what gorton is doing he should have been dealt before this season ever started. we have a stud in Zibanejad and 3 top center prospects. we probably get another one at the draft. hayes frankly is blocking chytil from playing in the middle with veteran top six wingers. if he isn't getting that ice he should be in Hartford.
just dumb that he wasn't dealt already a team could have signed him long term last summer
next season the goal should be to start pushing for a playoff spot.
now as far as hayes. I have no idea what gorton is doing he should have been dealt before this season ever started. we have a stud in Zibanejad and 3 top center prospects. we probably get another one at the draft. hayes frankly is blocking chytil from playing in the middle with veteran top six wingers. if he isn't getting that ice he should be in Hartford.
just dumb that he wasn't dealt already a team could have signed him long term last summer
what if this time next season you have....
kreider Zibanejad Kravstov
Panarin Hughes Buchnevich
Andersson Chytil Fast
Vesey Howden Lettieri
with skjei deangelo shattenkirk hajek smith pionk
and lundqvist and shesterkin
you don't think they can compete for a playoff spot? I bet they could just sayinnnng rebuilds can happen fast
kreider Zibanejad Kravstov
Panarin Hughes Buchnevich
Andersson Chytil Fast
Vesey Howden Lettieri
with skjei deangelo shattenkirk hajek smith pionk
and lundqvist and shesterkin
you don't think they can compete for a playoff spot? I bet they could just sayinnnng rebuilds can happen fast
Rangers won’t be “top pick” bad next year with or without Panarin.
If they are, that says a whole lot about Chytil and Andersson, Zib and Buch, etc. We’ve screwed the pooch majorly if we’re top pick bad next year.
offdacrossbar
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2 more seasons. this one and next.
if you add jack hughes and 3 more high draft picks to go along with last years picks and the young players acquired recently via trades, and add shesty to this team as hanks backup- eventually hell take over for hank and may even out play him in the few yrs hanks got left, and keep the "core" players on roster now, this team can compete in 2 years.
you cant use vegas as a benchmark, different deal but teams that are on the rise like carolina and nj for example are built on youth, talent and speed.
no reason we can get here in 2 years. it should not take 5 yrs to rebuild this team if the next 2 years are as bad as we believe they will be. well be better next year i predict but still weak.
drafting real talent and getting major minutes from kids on ELC's plus making sure your highest paid players produce equal to their contracts ( panarin ?) is the ticket to success. sounds easy. it aint.
if you add jack hughes and 3 more high draft picks to go along with last years picks and the young players acquired recently via trades, and add shesty to this team as hanks backup- eventually hell take over for hank and may even out play him in the few yrs hanks got left, and keep the "core" players on roster now, this team can compete in 2 years.
you cant use vegas as a benchmark, different deal but teams that are on the rise like carolina and nj for example are built on youth, talent and speed.
no reason we can get here in 2 years. it should not take 5 yrs to rebuild this team if the next 2 years are as bad as we believe they will be. well be better next year i predict but still weak.
drafting real talent and getting major minutes from kids on ELC's plus making sure your highest paid players produce equal to their contracts ( panarin ?) is the ticket to success. sounds easy. it aint.
There is nothing wrong with signing Panarin this off-season. This whole, 'we're not ready to compete', or, 'he will cost us too much', rhetoric is causing quite the hysteria. I really can't think of a good reason why the Rangers wouldn't want to acquire a top winger at the age of 28 in the NHL for only cap space. He has proven time after time again that he can produce in different environments. He averages 77 points and this season he's trending more than a PPG. It seems to me like Panarin is in his prime. I hope one day too that Chytl, Kravtsov, Howden, or Andersson, can accumulate an 80 point season, but players like Panarin that will be available for the sheer price of just cap space, is a remarkable situation to try and take advantage of.
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I don't understand being opposed to signing Panarin.. The last 70 point season for a skater for the NYR was Gaborik in 2011. By the time his contract could potentially become a problem Hank, Staal, Smith, Shatty all are off the books. Atleast 6 years of team control for guys like chytil lias kravtsov and miller too. All rebuilding teams need that one guy to lean on and help our young centers grow. If Panarin helps Buch figure it out in the process thats a huge plus. He'll be 34 by the time the contract would be up and at that point the way the league is trending 9/9.5 million will not hurt as much if the cap is above 90 mil.
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Kris King's Ghost
2020 is probably a good target to take a big step forward.
The highest pick will probably be 2019. Depending on who the Rangers get, 2020 will most likely be lower. How much lower depends on who they get in 2019. If Hughes is a Ranger, that 2020 pick is not going to top be a top 3 pick without winning the lottery, and the truth is that it might not even be a top 10 pick otherwise. Not to say it wouldn't still be an important pick, and a chance to nab a very good talent.
I just don't think taking Hughes or Kakko results in an equally high pick the next year --- both guys would have too much of an impact.
The highest pick will probably be 2019. Depending on who the Rangers get, 2020 will most likely be lower. How much lower depends on who they get in 2019. If Hughes is a Ranger, that 2020 pick is not going to top be a top 3 pick without winning the lottery, and the truth is that it might not even be a top 10 pick otherwise. Not to say it wouldn't still be an important pick, and a chance to nab a very good talent.
I just don't think taking Hughes or Kakko results in an equally high pick the next year --- both guys would have too much of an impact.
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NYR Viper
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The Rangers have a very real possibility of having (8) 1st rounders in a matter of 3 years. When was the last time that happened to any team?
Shattenkirk is impossible to move unless he plays better. Even at 50% retained, he's still a $3.4 MM cap hit. First things first.
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