Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIII

[Off Sides]

I'm certainly (and have been) on board with this line of thinking. I think the issue is that Panarin supposedly wants to come here and you don't see players of the ilk come available often.

But again, the draft is 8 months away still. All of this is just yapping because the team blows, the kids haven't been lighting it up and we have very little else to discuss lol.

True, I just don't see the Panarin effect being all that much more than what the Gaborik effect was.

If they added Gaborik to a team that already had like 3 or 4 skaters on or on about his same level, I think the effect becomes magnified, sort of like when LA added him.

But to add Gaborik to a team that has anything similar to what the Rangers had at the time, which is what they'd likely have next season, it still is just adding one very good player to an otherwise mediocre roster, which they have been doing and it always so far has come up short in the playoffs to a roster who had those 4 or 5 skaters all in the prime all at the same time.

 

[LORDE]

True, I just don't see the Panarin effect being all that much more than what the Gaborik effect was.

If they added Gaborik to a team that already had like 3 or 4 skaters on or on about his same level, I think the effect becomes magnified, sort of like when LA added him.

But to add Gaborik to a team that has anything similar to what the Rangers had at the time, which is what they'd likely have next season, it still is just adding one very good player to an otherwise mediocre roster, which they have been doing and it always so far has come up short in the playoffs to a roster who had those 4 or 5 skaters all in the prime all at the same time.

This is more or less what RB was probably saying although in his more recently negative & angst-filled way.

Panarin, if brought in would make us better. Without other help tho its marginal and us being better isn't necessarily what's best for us moving forward.

Let's say we pick 6-9 again this draft. We bring in Panarin and then what? Pick 12-15 the following year? Some say "HELL YEAH! HE'D BE OUR ONLY ELITE PLAYER!"

Others would argue having just one elite who brings us back to mediocrity doesn't get us ANYWHERE closer to contender status.

There are too many variables and too much time to look that far into the future. Right now both arguments have their points

 

[NY Lito]

You know what would help Chytil and Anderson develop? Playing with an elite winger like Panarin.

And since the defense is a dumpster fire don’t add one of the top wingers in the game? Yeah that makes sense. Blueline sucks...let’s make sure the offense keeps sucking too.

I’m done with this thread for a while.

 

[Off Sides]

This is more or less what RB was probably saying although in his more recently negative & angst-filled way.

Panarin, if brought in would make us better. Without other help tho its marginal and us being better isn't necessarily what's best for us moving forward.

Let's say we pick 6-9 again this draft. We bring in Panarin and then what? Pick 12-15 the following year? Some say "HELL YEAH! HE'D BE OUR ONLY ELITE PLAYER!"

Others would argue having just one elite who brings us back to mediocrity doesn't get us ANYWHERE closer to contender status.

There are too many variables and too much time to look that far into the future. Right now both arguments have their points

It also starts the slippery slope of them thinking they need to add this or that as well, because they already added this or that.

They are not likely to find some top pair defender in his prime without drafting him or trading something top line for him if they can find that one for one type deal.

Even if they did draft him last draft he is still likely 3 or so years away from his NHL prime. As would the pick they took in 2019 even if he was the 1OA.

At that point they are like 3 years into Panarin or more, they have signed some other filler for more than they should have spent who is under performing to their cap hits...

I am mostly just basing that on their history, I just don't see how the timeline makes much sense. When the timeline does not make sense they will try to force it to, if that force comes up short it's just the same thing they have been doing.

I think they have a start here toward being among the better teams eventually, it may turn out better or worse than anyone thinks, but I don't think it can hurt to over stockpile, yet I can see several ways it can hurt to under stockpile by flipping the switch too early.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

You know what would help Chytil and Anderson develop? Playing with an elite winger like Panarin.

And since the defense is a dumpster fire don’t add one of the top wingers in the game? Yeah that makes sense. Blueline sucks...let’s make sure the offense keeps sucking too.

I’m done with this thread for a while.

This thread has been even wonkier than usual this season.

Guess people really CAN’T handle a rebuild Even those who claimed to want it are mad because we’re not doing it “right”, or whatever.

 

[QJL]

Scratching Buchnevich for a 2nd straight game? I’ve already lost my patience with Quinn. Not tuning in tonight for the first time in a few years.

 

[NYR Viper]

Panarin would be here for seven years. Staal/Smith/Shattenkirk contracts all end two years into a potential Panarin deal. Really can't see how one has anything to do with the other.

Because those 2 years would be 2 years wasted of Panarin's prime year. If you sign Panarin for 7 years, the goal would be something like 4 very good years, 1-2 good years, 1 okay year. Every player declines. So basically, you would be tying yourself to hoping for Panarin to have 2 good very years, 2 good years and 1 okay year most likely. It cuts down on his usefulness

 

[LORDE]

It also starts the slippery slope of them thinking they need to add this or that as well, because they already added this or that.

They are not likely to find some top pair defender in his prime without drafting him or trading something top line for him if they can find that one for one type deal.

Even if they did draft him last draft he is still likely 3 or so years away from his NHL prime. As would the pick they took in 2019 even if he was the 1OA.

At that point they are like 3 years into Panarin or more, they have signed some other filler for more than they should have spent who is under performing to their cap hits...

I am mostly just basing that on their history, I just don't see how the timeline makes much sense. When the timeline does not make sense they will try to force it to, if that force comes up short it's just the same thing they have been doing.

I think they have a start here toward being among the better teams eventually, it may turn out better or worse than anyone thinks, but I don't think it can hurt to over stockpile, yet I can see several ways it can hurt to under stockpile by flipping the switch too early.

Hard to argue with much of this, but the bolded strikes fear into my heart as well. Trying to expedite the timeline for Hank ultimately failed and ruined our system (from which we still have yet to recover).

It's a honest and valid fear.

 

[BBKers]

How minor are we talking? And is this something you're hearing or just speculation?

Not only speculation.

 

[Tawnos]

This is more or less what RB was probably saying although in his more recently negative & angst-filled way.

Panarin, if brought in would make us better. Without other help tho its marginal and us being better isn't necessarily what's best for us moving forward.

Let's say we pick 6-9 again this draft. We bring in Panarin and then what? Pick 12-15 the following year? Some say "HELL YEAH! HE'D BE OUR ONLY ELITE PLAYER!"

Others would argue having just one elite who brings us back to mediocrity doesn't get us ANYWHERE closer to contender status.

There are too many variables and too much time to look that far into the future. Right now both arguments have their points

We aren't finishing lower next year than this year, so I'm not really worried about that scenario.

 

[Tawnos]

Scratching Buchnevich for a 2nd straight game? I’ve already lost my patience with Quinn. Not tuning in tonight for the first time in a few years.

That'll show 'em.

 

[QJL]

That'll show 'em.

There’s nothing to be shown. They are ruining the development of one of their most promising talents and it’s been going on for years. Hoping Buch gets a trade request granted or bolts for the KHL next year. The Rangers don’t deserve him.

 

[SML2]

How many people are still on the high road now That Voynov has asked permission to be reinstated? Asking for a friend...

 

[Tawnos]

There’s nothing to be shown. They are ruining the development of one of their most promising talent and it’s been going on for years. Hoping Buch gets a trade request granted or bolts for the KHL next year. The Rangers don’t deserve him.

And not watching will point out to them just how wrong they are.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

There’s nothing to be shown. They are ruining the development of one of their most promising talent and it’s been going on for years. Hoping Buch gets a trade request granted or bolts for the KHL next year. The Rangers don’t deserve him.

lol.

We don’t “deserve” him? Maybe Buch needs to step it up and earn his spot in the lineup.

I don’t see how anyone (well, there’s one, but I’ll give him a pass) could argue that Buchnevich hasn’t been a major disappointment to start this season. Dude’s been floating out there. He needs to get more involved on a shift by shift basis.

Plenty of good players have been healthy scratched before. It’s a message, and I certainly hope Buch gets it, because I think he has the talent to be a quality top-6 forward.

 

[Trxjw]

I wouldn't be super surprised to see the Rangers make a move after the road trip but I would expect it to be aomething like Chytil and Lettieri going down and Fogarty coming up with Beleskey.

Put 4th liners on the 4th line and that's one less group to shuffle around.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

How many people are still on the high road now That Voynov has asked permission to be reinstated? Asking for a friend...

Oh good, this thread wasn’t insufferable enough as is.

 

[haohmaru]

There’s nothing to be shown. They are ruining the development of one of their most promising talents and it’s been going on for years. Hoping Buch gets a trade request granted or bolts for the KHL next year. The Rangers don’t deserve him.

The Rangers actually deserve better FROM him. The guy isn't engaged and that hasn't been lost on his first two NHL coaches. If the effort was there, they'd live with the mistakes.

"Hoping Buch gets a trade request granted or bolts for the KHL next year" ?

Seriously?

Hoping that Buch figures it out so he can help himself and help this team would probably be better.

 

[haohmaru]

As far as Panarin goes: if we're signing him, great. If we're trading assets for him, no thanks.

Simply put, the goal has to be to make the team better. Constantly. Via the draft, via free agency, via trades, via developmental leagues. Period.

 

[Don Chytil]

How many people are still on the high road now That Voynov has asked permission to be reinstated? Asking for a friend...

What high road? The high road of not supporting violent abusers? Yeah I'll take that road, thanks.

 

[NYR Viper]

I wouldn't be super surprised to see the Rangers make a move after the road trip but I would expect it to be aomething like Chytil and Lettieri going down and Fogarty coming up with Beleskey.

Put 4th liners on the 4th line and that's one less group to shuffle around.

This. The team needs at least one line that will consistently bring energy and effort every shift. I really thought Beleskey and Fogarty were going to be 2/3 of the starting 4th line this year.

 

[Edge]

How many people are still on the high road now That Voynov has asked permission to be reinstated? Asking for a friend...

No thanks.

Look, I understand that sometimes a situation can get out of hand very quickly and take a wrong turn. Not that I would ever condone that incident turning physical, but I also understand that sometimes people make horrible choices.

But in Voynov's case, it was a pretty brutal incident and supposedly not the only time either.

It's further concerning that there have been several instances where he seemed more concerned of the impact that it would have him on than the actual incident itself.

I'd just prefer to not even go down that path with Voynov.

 

[RangerBoy]

Elliotte Friedman said on the 31 Thoughts podcast the Rangers have made the decision to not re-sign Hayes. What took them so long? Seriously?

The Rangers can move Hayes and Zuccarello at any time and there is interest in both players.

Shattenkirk is not impossible to be moved but he has some term left. It's not a lot of term. 2 more years left.

They touched on Panarin. Friedman said we will see on Panarin.

 

[Thirty One]

Elliotte Friedman said on the 31 Thoughts podcast the Rangers have made the decision to not re-sign Hayes. What took them so long?

Probably debating his merits as a hockey player and the pluses and minuses of committing to him long-term, IMO.

 

[Zats Muccarello]

Definitely do not want Voynov anywhere near this team. Especially considering we have a ton of young guys and prospects who are still growing as players and individuals.