Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[NYR Viper]

Here's an option:

To MIN:
Trouba with 50% retained ($4m cap hit for 2 years)

to NYR
Trenin with 50% Retained ($1.75m cap hit for 4 years)
Bogosian ($1.25m cap hit for 2 years)
MIN 2nd '25
MIN 3rd '26
MIN 4th '26


24-25
Rangers cap situation
$4m dead cap with Trouba
$1.75m Trenin
$1.25m Bogosian
= $7m total (Rangers save $1m)

MIN Cap situation
$4m Trouba
$1.75m dead cap Trenin
= $5.75m total (Wild spend $1m)

25-26
Rangers cap situation
$4m dead cap with Trouba
$1.75m Trenin
$1.25m Bogosian
= $7m total (Rangers save $1m)

MIN Cap situation
$4m Trouba
$1.75m dead cap Trenin
= $5.75m total (Wild spend $1m)

26-27
Rangers cap situation
$1.75m Trenin

MIN Cap situation
$1.75m dead cap Trenin

 

[Boris Zubov]

Here's an option:

To MIN:
Trouba with 50% retained ($4m cap hit for 2 years)

to NYR
Trenin with 50% Retained ($1.75m cap hit for 4 years)
Bogosian ($1.25m cap hit for 2 years)
MIN 2nd '25
MIN 3rd '26
MIN 4th '26


24-25
Rangers cap situation
$4m dead cap with Trouba
$1.75m Trenin
$1.25m Bogosian
= $7m total (Rangers save $1m)

MIN Cap situation
$4m Trouba
$1.75m dead cap Trenin
= $5.75m total (Wild spend $1m)

25-26
Rangers cap situation
$4m dead cap with Trouba
$1.75m Trenin
$1.25m Bogosian
= $7m total (Rangers save $1m)

MIN Cap situation
$4m Trouba
$1.75m dead cap Trenin
= $5.75m total (Wild spend $1m)

26-27
Rangers cap situation
$1.75m Trenin

MIN Cap situation
$1.75m dead cap Trenin

Don't the Wild still have Parise & Suter on their books? I can't see them retaining that much on Trenin for 3 more years.

 

[NYR Viper]

Don't the Wild still have Parise & Suter on their books? I can't see them retaining that much on Trenin for 3 more years.

They drop precipitously after this season

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

I don’t think the rangers have a leadership issue, they have a bad player issue. Messier couldn’t get anything out of Trouba, Lindgren or Zib at thr moment.

 

[Machinehead]

While I agree it's not always indicative to on ice success, the bare minimum I want from a captain is the willingness to take the attention off the team and face the music when things go sour. Command the room. It is more important than many realize in this sport.

In this instance, I found it EXTREMELY telling that we did not hear from Trouba, Mika or Trocheck following what I'd call our worst loss of the season given the circumstances.

A leader speaks up and at least attempts to right the ship. Our leaders ran with their tail between their legs. The core has ran its course and they know it. And instead of showing some fire, they cower. Exactly the same mentality that watched them blow a 2-0 lead to Tampa, a 2-0 lead to NJ and a 2-1 lead to Florida. They are petrified at the thought of overcoming adversity.

We have no idea what's actually said in room, where it matters. I couldn't care less what is said to the media, or by who.

You guys watch that shit? Do something else. I can recommend some good video games.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I don’t think the rangers have a leadership issue, they have a bad player issue. Messier couldn’t get anything out of Trouba, Lindgren or Zib at thr moment.

Messier would have drug their asses over the coals and made them work.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

I know all of the media is saying a deal is rare and not likely to happen at this point in the season, but i feel like this is the type of season with some underperforming clubs and weird starts were it could.

We already saw Boston fire one of the best coaches in the NHL and i think we may see a couple more be on the market soon as well.

 

[Machinehead]

Actually the team was awful after dubi was traded with ani bc we had no depth. It forced the trade of gaborik to try to get back on track.

As for Cally, we traded him for a better player in St Loius. He was starting to break down too.

So this is kind of disingenuous on both counts.

Those are both analyses of their on ice play.

We're talking about leadership. If they were such important leaders, why was the team better after they were gone?

I'm being told stuff like that upsets the vibe.

Could it be because those teams were just good at hockey?

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

He’d probably block a deal there but Buffalo from a pure need perspective makes a lot of sense for Trouba

 

[CLW]

Wow, it's a nice C.

In line with the modern game, umlauts and all, he'd wear it as a K.

Kapteeni Kaapo Kakko.

 

[Machinehead]

Messier would have drug their asses over the coals and made them work.

What, like he made the shit ass teams he was on during his second captaincy work?

The quality of the team is the be all, end all. Everything else is just noise.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I’m curious what people’s thought are on Kakko and keeping him long term.

It seems like he was destined to get moved at some point 2 months ago, but I’ve seen the conversation now shift to wanting to keep him long term

 

[Ruggs225]

Those are both analyses of their on ice play.

We're talking about leadership. If they were such important leaders, why was the team better after they were gone?

I'm being told stuff like that upsets the vibe.

Could it be because those teams were just good at hockey?

This is ridiculous.

The rangers werent better after dubinsky was traded until they made other trades for better players.

St. Louis is a better player than cally. And was a good leader too.

I know your upset about Kreider. But this argument is silly.

I brought up Cally bc he was a good captain. He was. Doesnt mean a team cant get better without him, especially when you bring in better players. Especially when there were other good leaders such as Hank in the room.

And for the record. Kreider is a shit leader so we might get better by jettisoning him. At least by your “analysis”

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Messier would have drug their asses over the coals and made them work.

I don’t think that would make an ounce of difference when it comes to guys like Trouba or Lindgren unless he was planning on taking every other shift on D or forcing Drury to trade one of them like he did with Zubov.

I’m curious what people’s thought are on Kakko and keeping him long term.

It seems like he was destined to get moved at some point 2 months ago, but I’ve seen the conversation now shift to wanting to keep him long term

He’s a good complimentary player.

 

[NYR Viper]

I’m curious what people’s thought are on Kakko and keeping him long term.

It seems like he was destined to get moved at some point 2 months ago, but I’ve seen the conversation now shift to wanting to keep him long term

I'd sign him long term immediately

 

[Captain Monglobster]

Laf Kakko Cullye Chytil Vinny Bread schneider fox jones

Only top players I want to keep. Yes that includes Shesty.

 

[Bob Richards]

I’m curious what people’s thought are on Kakko and keeping him long term.

It seems like he was destined to get moved at some point 2 months ago, but I’ve seen the conversation now shift to wanting to keep him long term

I like Kappo Kakko.

If you put your thumb over his draft spot line on his hockey reference page, you realize that you’re actually pretty happy with a good, dependable meat and potatoes player.

 

[Chytilmania]

NY Post just dropped a #ittakeseveryone on a social media post. When did this become a thing?

 

[will1066]

In line with the modern game, umlauts and all, he'd wear it as a K.

Kapteeni Kaapo Kakko.

Special K

 

[LORDE]

In line with the modern game, umlauts and all, he'd wear it as a K.

Kapteeni Kaapo Kakko.

What could go wrong with a nickname of "KKK"? lol

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Messier would have drug their asses over the coals and made them work.

Did you see the Rangers from 2000-2004?

 

[Machinehead]

This is ridiculous.

The rangers werent better after dubinsky was traded until they made other trades for better players.

St. Louis is a better player than cally. And was a good leader too.

I know your upset about Kreider. But this argument is silly.

I brought up Cally bc he was a good captain. He was. Doesnt mean a team cant get better without him, especially when you bring in better players. Especially when there were other good leaders such as Hank in the room.

And for the record. Kreider is a shit leader so we might get better by jettisoning him. At least by your “analysis”

I have no idea what the f*** you're talking about with this.

Absolutely nowhere did I say the team got better because those guys were bad leaders.

I'm saying we got rid of an entire core of widely liked and respected leaders that people lament about, and the team didn't even blink, so maybe it doesn't matter that much and upgrading the roster is the alpha and the omega.

That's my argument and it's been my argument forever.

@GoAwayPanarin is correct that Dubinsky was a legit good player and we missed him in the short term. We absolutely do not need to go back to Ryan Callahan being one of the worst defensive players since the lockout. That's exactly the kind of "bad player, good vibes" bullshit I'm trying to avoid.

Team building is easy. Get better hockey players. It's undefeated.

 

[Captain Monglobster]

Did you see the Rangers from 2000-2004?

 

[TGWL]

I’m curious what people’s thought are on Kakko and keeping him long term.

It seems like he was destined to get moved at some point 2 months ago, but I’ve seen the conversation now shift to wanting to keep him long term

He's playing better. It's always a big difference when your line-mates also move their feet and play with effort. I wouldn't offer him along term deal right now of actual money value, where he'd be interested in quickly signing, but if he can maintain playing well it's something the organization should obviously look into. Just not immediately.

When you think long term, I'm guessing you're looking at 4.5 or more to get him to agree? If so, I'd wait. If long term means he's going to take a very bad deal for him, then sure.

 

[McRanger92]

I’m curious what people’s thought are on Kakko and keeping him long term.

It seems like he was destined to get moved at some point 2 months ago, but I’ve seen the conversation now shift to wanting to keep him long term

The Kakko trade rumors were always more media and fan driven than the team shopping him. Kakko and Drury have never said a bad word about the other. He may not become the elite top line guy we expected with the 2nd pick but he's still very good and young. You dont deal those players. I think he is in line with a Chytil like extension.