Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[McRanger92]

Lindgren retained for a pick or Trouba sent to the gulag are the next shoe to drop. Don’t sell me a Reilly Smith trade and call it a shakeup.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Signing Bobby Clarke at age 75 and playing him out of position was bold call.

To be fair I traded Trouba, a 2030 1st and like 3 3rds for him

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Colby Cohen is a dogshit analyst

Jonny Lazarus is that you?

 

[McRanger92]

Sabres imploding tonight. Can we interest them in some Leadership (Trouba) and Grit (Lindgren)?

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Sabres imploding tonight. Can we interest them in some Leadership (Trouba) and Grit (Lindgren)?

I believe they have hospitals in Buffalo?
Can I get a fact check on that.

 

[lakeshirts37]

Sabres imploding tonight. Can we interest them in some Leadership (Trouba) and Grit (Lindgren)?

Please. I think Kevyn Adams can be taken advantage of

 

[duhmetreE]

Both of Colorados top LHD prospects for Shesty

 

[McRanger92]

Please. I think Kevyn Adams can be taken advantage of

I don’t see why it would be hard to make a trade right now. Seems like half the league is floundering.

 

[mas0764]

Mas has been saying for years that he doesn't think this veteran core has what it takes, and wants to rebuild around Laf, Chytil, Kakko, I think Fox too.

… and other young, affordable, improving players who are good at 5v5.

Why are we trading Kakko?

Cause Drury is a moron.

 

[Machinehead]

Kakko is producing halfway decent totals this year. Let him cook.

 

[mike14]

I don’t see why it would be hard to make a trade right now. Seems like half the league is floundering.

I said it elsewhere, but the seeming disinterest by GMs in making moves is really surprising.
I'm half inclined to believe that it's because they need to balance cap hits and anything to do with maths makes them all run for the hills screaming...

 

[bernmeister]

Do we think that maybe Mr Rivera and Mr Giamatti can get us out of this mess ????

This is a job for Superman
if he is unavailable, you may call bern

HOWEV, I want an acknowledgement from most of you, that I was right, that I called it correctly in real time, and as long as there is a hard cap, we need to listen to bern and routinely repurpose vets [few exceptions notwithstanding], selling them high to get quality youth, which extends our window and manages cap

I am not our most knowledgeable, or best, etc poster, but I am our most creative, providing outside the box solutions.
Love is given, respect is earned, and I have earned respect for calling it as I did, when I did, and I deserve props from you all for that.

The team is hilariously soft dude. They dont finish checks, they dont block shots, they dont get pucks deep. Afraid to give and take hits. Shy away from after the whistle stuff. Dont back up their teammates. The list goes on.

Did you hear the crowd last night? Not a peep. And its not because of corporate suits. Last night was Garden of Dreams night and the crowd wasnt given a single reason to stand and cheer. Say what you want about Rempe, and im not saying he should be in the lineup, but the crowd is engaged and the team is engaged when he is in the lineup. The same logic can be applied to the Trouba hits and fights that get the team going. You can't explain the emotional component away on a chart.

dude, don't be half assed, go full butt cheeks
I have correctly called need to have Rempe up here now, growing pains and all.

Now disconnect from the underline that is holding you back.
The truth shall set you free.

From a team culture prospective, trading kakko does absolutely nothing.

From an asset value perspective, trading kakko can only result in a downgrade.

The only way it makes sense is if he's packaged with a problem child like Trouba in a deal. I'd hate that but at least it would shake the team up.

per usual signif agree except on da bold
Any KK deal that is crazy good = massive improvement has to be considered.
Howev, inclusion to move Trouba is a no.
We can ditch JT w/o taking a hit on sacrificing KK

My harsh criticisms of the team shouldn’t disguise from the fact that if the Rangers replaced Trouba/Lindgren with Mancini and a “Niko Mikkola” type defenseman, and played the young core in the top 6 and pp, we could salvage this season.

It’s December 3rd and we’re still in a playoff spot.

NO
no effin what about POs.
Make the correct moves replacing vets w/quality youth even if we overpay on specific trades, sacrifice Fox now to sell high before he gets any slower, and eat a lot of retention.

So we are then young, w/energy, and motivated.
We get into post season, great if not ok we are ready/positioned going forward

they're gonna have to package picks/prospects with Trouba or Lindgren to get anything of value back and it's probably not worth it.

yes not worth it
just ditch for whatev on those 2 w/min deadwood coming back

This might be confirmation bias on my part but I think they are dead on with this being a psychologically weak team. If they are still griping about Goodrow, man, what a fragile team. I've been calling for Mika to stay late every practice and do 100 reps of his signature PP one-timer which we have not seen in like over a year. Get back to competition drills. Get back to winning those 50-50 board battles. Whoever the sports psychologist is on staff needs to carry their weight too.

Part of the prob is that damn 1 timer is a move that is expected and broadcast and teams adjust for it
Need variety and show it once in a while not every friggin time

 

[TGWL]

As much as we have sucked (and we've been bad), is not at least a little bit of a beat up by entities that need drama in order to get clicks/eyeballs/content.
We've looked bad, we've lost some games while looking like we don't know how to even spell 'hockey', and all the bad habits over the past few years are now laid bare for all to see.
But, we are 4th in the Metro and currently in a WC spot. We are 7th in the East for w%. We are 13th in the league for w%.
We are 4-6 in our last 10, but so are the Panthers and so are the Jets. We also have similar records (an OTW or OTL here or there) to a bunch of teams.
So either there's a huge chunk of the league who have similar issues and we should be seeing similar stories about, or there's just a touch of overreacting going on that we are all feeding into.

This team needs changes and shakeup, but some of the takes are getting ridiculous.

The "We're 7-4. We made it to the second round. We're still in first place. We're just in a December-January slump. We just made it to the ECF. We're 4-6 in our last 10 but so are... " is what's wrong with this team.

I haven't read every page so I don't know which takes you're referring to, but fans keep writing it off because they find ways to win games while being out played, and then advance in the playoffs while being outplayed. Jet's losing 3 or so straight don't look like Bantam players on the rink playing against adults. We can talk all day about their record but that's not the issue right now.

Fans are content with looking like crap and finding ways to advance until we stop advancing and get booted. Then those fans have a problem and talk about changes we need. It's a repeated cycle with this team. I get that the most important part is wining no matter how it gets gone. But I don't know that it's overblown when you're watching them create the same problems and have the same flaws, year after year.

 

[mike14]

The "We're 7-4. We made it to the second round. We're still in first place. We're just in a December-January slump. We're made it to the ECF. We're 4-6 in our last 10 but so are... " is what's wrong with this team.

I haven't read every page so I don't know which takes you're referring to, but fans keep writing it off because they find ways to win games while being out played, and then advance in the playoffs while being outplayed. Jet's losing 3 or so straight don't look like Bantam players on the rink playing against adults. We can talk all day about their record but that's not the issue right now.

Fans are content with looking like crap and finding ways to advance until we stop advancing and get booted. Then those fans have a problem and talk about changes we need. It's a repeated cycle with this team.

It's less so the fans than the media, although one does fuel the other. Some of the clips and exerts being posted here have the hyperbole turned up to 11.
The team needs some drastic changes sure, but the wording makes it seem like we're minutes away from pulling out a pistol in the bunker...

 

[bleedblue94]

Posted this on the wrong thread. Have at it:

So again, when lavy was canned in phili it was stated it was the worst training camp Bobby Clarke ever saw in his career. This segments screams issues with details. Details come to instruction and habits which all go back to the effectiveness of the coach. Now the issue with nyr is this group is now at a point that it is hard to objectively evaluate coaching bc the players have shown their entitlement and also helped two other coaches be scapegoats for player/cultural issues. That is not to say that Quinn and Turk were A level coaches, but people got to quick to blame them. This org has been in need of a culture and accountability building coach for quite awhile here even as they continue to recycle more player friendly coaches that claim accountability but do not deliver.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Kakko is producing halfway decent totals this year. Let him cook.

What’s this? Positive kakko vibes?

 

[Levitate]

I honestly don't think there are gonna be any coaches in the NHL who are going to "hold players accountable" like ya'll would like

every coach is going to try to play his vets through it. Oh maybe they'll get benched here and there during a game but coaches know they need their vets to perform and scratching them or demoting them to the 4th line isn't something they see as a solution

 

[RangersFan1994]

 

[bleedblue94]

This is primarily the same group that won 6 elimination games in 2 years and has made 2 ECF runs in 3 years. You don’t do that by being lazy

Certain guys got worse and improvements that should have happened years ago still haven’t happened. That’s 90+% of what is wrong here. Let’s not get it twisted, the drama and all the other shit certainly exists and has made a bad situation worse, but it’s just fuel on the fire, not the match that started the damn thing.

On RL: I don’t care how hard he works, he’s completely incompetent and he makes everyone’s job harder. Replacing (or getting someone to push him down in the rotation) should have happened after 2022. It’s comical that he’s in the rotation for a supposed contender, let alone on the top pair. If you’re worried about culture and all that stuff, you should have a problem with a guy playing this high in the lineup strictly because he has a friendship with Adam Fox.


Replacing him is such an easy move and an easy win. It makes way more sense than trading Smith and Kakko or whatever they’ll probably end up doing over the next few days. I think we’re in agreement that most of the more significant stuff will have to wait but at the very least it would make the team more watchable and pretty much better immediately by virtue of not having an awful player eating big minutes.

So your premise for why the 2024 team is not lazy is that they were not lazy in past years?

Further, you watched the last 8 ish playoff games last year and felt that squad was not lazy or lacked work ethic? Really? They were out worked by the canes and the cats. People keep wanting to say those teams were so much better than us but there is a reason they are better and the in game work ethic between nyr and either of those teams is not even close, that is a part of it. It's also effective bc their cores and their leadership group is bought into that internal standard of work ethic, all nyr is recognized for at this point is a "rotten core" which isn't based simply on age...

I am sick of the lindgren thing. Christ, trade him and you still have the same shit constructed roster with the same shit entitled core, and the same shit country club environment. You are so focused on one f***ing player you miss the forest looking at a tree.

 

[Machinehead]

What’s this? Positive kakko vibes?

He's not even my top 10 complaints right now, so yes.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Sabres imploding tonight. Can we interest them in some Leadership (Trouba) and Grit (Lindgren)?

Lindgren for Krebs. Rangers get center depth and someone with some bite that has not developed much offensively. Upgrade over Carrick. Krebs won't be 24 until next month.

 

[duhmetreE]

The defense has to be fixed. We need mobile puck movers.

Next you can address the missing pieces in front. We need more Cuylles and Berards to fill in the gaps.

Bennett as a UFA is tempting.

 

[RangersFan1994]

The defense has to be fixed. We need mobile puck movers.

Next you can address the missing pieces in front. We need more Cuylles and Berards to fill in the gaps.

Bennett as a UFA is tempting.

Maybe hiring a former defensive dman as a defensive coach would have been a better option than hiring an offensive dmaj that was a great offensive player but wasn't thst good defensively during his era.

 

[bleedblue94]

The defense has to be fixed. We need mobile puck movers.

Next you can address the missing pieces in front. We need more Cuylles and Berards to fill in the gaps.

Bennett as a UFA is tempting.

Bennett as a ufa is most likely to not be the Bennett prior to UFA. Nyr should be wise of this and act with caution.

 

[JimmyG89]

As doom and gloom things look, there are positives. The young wingers in this organization are promising. Laf, Kakko, Cuylle, Berard, Othmann, Perreault. It's why Panarin is going to come up in summer rumors.

It's why Kreider is getting rumored. Smith's name will pop up soon too.

Kakko is the same, but I'd like to think it's for a young defenseman or center and wouldn't be primarily futures as the premium asset. It's such a sore spot and could make them open to moving one of Mika/Troch.

It's also the guys that people actually want and have some value.