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Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part XIII: Have no fear, the TDL is near (Mod Post page 233, #5809 - READ IT)

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17futurecap said:
Didn't see that, figured it was the same upper-body injury that was ailing him when he sat out earlier this year.
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I thought he missed time with a lower body thing earlier this year?

Either way, outside of a shoulder, there aren't a ton of upper body injuries that guys play through that require surgery.
 
Levitate said:
maybe I'm wrong but Zucc has been playing like crap lately and that's probably not helping his trade value
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I think most rational GMs will take note that even while playing like crap he's leading the team in scori g on pace for yet another 50+ pt season.

Not to mention the shit show that is the NYR this year.

To fans, his value is diminished, to GMs that know better, not so much the case
 
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DutchShamrock said:
They depend highly on the cost. I wouldn't part with a sure fire player like fast for any of them. I'm big fans of those players but their current teams don't need a life line from us and I'm not big on acquiring question marks for proven commodities.
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That’s how you stay mediocre. Fast is a nice player. He’s replaceable in UFA every year. The chance that a Kaprizov or Domi is a difference maker for you is much higher than the chances of you not being able to replace Fast. You take the gamble.
 
pld459666 said:
To fans, his value is diminished, to GMs that know better, not so much the case
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GMs might know better but I think they would absolutely try to use it as leverage to get themselves a better deal...

As for McDonagh, sounds like something he's been playing through and they decided to sit him for now. Not sure that it really impacts his trade-ability at this point
 
mrjimmyg89 said:
Listening to the full Bobcast, and this was mentioned in the Sabres section, but has merrit in regards to Nash:

Sounds like they're having a hard time getting the 1st+prospect+lesser roster player that they want, but would take a Martin Hanzel type return (1st+2nd or 1st+prospect). This was mentioned for E Kane, but Bob talked about it as an issue Gorton has likely faced as well.

I'll take a 1+2 or 1+prospect for Nash.
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We're still 2.5 weeks out from the deadline. Teams aren't yet in a hurry to make a deal and are keeping their offers low
 
Not that our defense hasn't been awful but two guys in their first ever NHL game tonight, DeAngelo still kind of raw, Kampfer and Holden whose played like crap all year long. There might be some AHL defense units as good. Play Pavelec.
 
Samuel Culper III said:
That’s how you stay mediocre. Fast is a nice player. He’s replaceable in UFA every year. The chance that a Kaprizov or Domi is a difference maker for you is much higher than the chances of you not being able to replace Fast. You take the gamble.
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I'll gladly take a flier on some of these guys but a team has to be built too. Fast is a great role player that won't break the bank. We know what he brings.

Everyone is quick to make their rosters with talent and promise top to bottom. Get tons of picks. Get projects. It's all gambles that everyone assumes will pan out 100%.

Again, I like domi but at this point I'll send them a 2nd or a project player. A struggling "fresh start" type.
 
Even if Domi doesn't turn out to have the offense we previously thought, he still could have a very nice career as a bottom 6 energy player.

It's not like you're trading for Yakupov who provides nothing outside of offense.
 
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Draisitl+Lucic

For

Skjei
Hayes or Mika
Kreider, Miller, or buchnevich

Who says what? And how do you feel about it personally
 
He's not that good. He's a really good 3/4. Doesn't have the hockey IQ or drive to be a 1/2

Edit: sorry thought I had embeded a quote. I was responding to someone's skjei godliness claim
 
I mentioned this earlier in the year, around the end of the pre-season... that the current set-up has some org cultural deficiencies that folks on here at the time really didn't talk much about.

But I think you're seeing that come to roost. They'll give some younger "kids" the boot that some of you might not like.

I was skeptical that it would happen in-season, but we might see it happen.

The Hayes/Kreiders of the roster.

McD, Zucc, Miller would be demand driven moves... value received versus what other teams want is the factor.

Some others are rentals for futures.

Then you have your hockey trades. Not sure if that is going to happen until the draft.
 
I also think that in terms of duos:

Chytil-Buchnevich
Andersson-Fast

will be pairs that you see as soon as next year.
 
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I don't think there is a "core" during the rebuild. Anyone is available for the right price according to the reports, so why identify a core to build around? Sure, a guy like Kreider isn't exactly easy to replace, but few players are truly "easy" to replace. Kreids will be 27 to end the season. What does he look like in two years when the Rangers are ready to start competing again? He's a group III two years from now, so that needs to be considered. I think he's a guy who will probably play well into his 30's in some capacity, but you have to look at his value objectively over the duration of his contract.

Fast is a guy who I love and he fills a great role on the team. He's on a great deal considering what he brings to the table, but again, he's a UFA after the season in which the Rangers will likely start really competing.

So the team needs to step back and look at situations like that. Do they have more value as pieces who will be with the team through the rebuild, but will need new contracts right as they start to maybe make a playoff run? Or are they going to give the Rangers the most value in trades that get them cost-controlled pieces they can build around for the next 5 or even 10 years?

Step 1: Evaluate the market, and the pieces you currently have. Step 2: Determine what kind of team you want to build and how those pieces fit in. Step 3: Start building.
 
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Trxjw said:
I don't think there is a "core" during the rebuild. Anyone is available for the right price according to the reports, so why identify a core to build around? Sure, a guy like Kreider isn't exactly easy to replace, but few players are truly "easy" to replace. Kreids will be 27 to end the season. What does he look like in two years when the Rangers are ready to start competing again? He's a group III two years from now, so that needs to be considered. I think he's a guy who will probably play well into his 30's in some capacity, but you have to look at his value objectively over the duration of his contract.

Fast is a guy who I love and he fills a great role on the team. He's on a great deal considering what he brings to the table, but again, he's a UFA after the season in which the Rangers will likely start really competing.

So the team needs to step back and look at situations like that. Do they have more value as pieces who will be with the team through the rebuild, but will need new contracts right as they start to maybe make a playoff run? Or are they going to give the Rangers the most value in trades that get them cost-controlled pieces they can build around for the next 5 or even 10 years?

Step 1: Evaluate the market, and the pieces you currently have. Step 2: Determine what kind of team you want to build and how those pieces fit in. Step 3: Start building.
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Step 4: ???
Step 5: Profit
 
Trxjw said:
I don't think there is a "core" during the rebuild. Anyone is available for the right price according to the reports, so why identify a core to build around? Sure, a guy like Kreider isn't exactly easy to replace, but few players are truly "easy" to replace. Kreids will be 27 to end the season. What does he look like in two years when the Rangers are ready to start competing again? He's a group III two years from now, so that needs to be considered. I think he's a guy who will probably play well into his 30's in some capacity, but you have to look at his value objectively over the duration of his contract.

Fast is a guy who I love and he fills a great role on the team. He's on a great deal considering what he brings to the table, but again, he's a UFA after the season in which the Rangers will likely start really competing.

So the team needs to step back and look at situations like that. Do they have more value as pieces who will be with the team through the rebuild, but will need new contracts right as they start to maybe make a playoff run? Or are they going to give the Rangers the most value in trades that get them cost-controlled pieces they can build around for the next 5 or even 10 years?

Step 1: Evaluate the market, and the pieces you currently have. Step 2: Determine what kind of team you want to build and how those pieces fit in. Step 3: Start building.
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I think you guys tend to overrate our players.
I'd do skjei, Hayes, and JT for draisitl and lucid
Lucic has 4 more years after this one. If the rangers are going young the caphit won't matter for a season or two.
Say what you want it'd fill two huge holes
Hayes for draisitl. (Upgrade) Miller for Lucic (downgrade)
Skjei is the premium.
Replace skjei in these other moves and with 1st rd picks.
 
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