Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part XIII: Have no fear, the TDL is near (Mod Post page 233, #5809 - READ IT)

[Alluckks]

Equal parts hilarious and worrisome that Vesey is included in the "future core" section of Brooks' article.

He doesn't have any trade value, there is no point to ship him off for the sake of it unless a team insists on him being part of something bigger, like going with McDonagh or Zucc or something

I think that is more in line with Brooks' thinking

 

[Richard Banger]

Watch us not trade McD or Zucc at the deadline or draft.

 

[Trxjw]

This whole "everybody is on the block" thing Mackenzie is mentioning worries me that the team has literally no plan at all.

If someone like Skjei for example is even being considered to move - there is no plan imo.

Disagree. The team should be exploring every avenue to see what is out there in the market. Then, once they know what that market looks like, they can start making decisions about individual players.

If the market on Kreider is soft then you keep him. If a team is willing to pay out the nose with high end pieces? Well then you consider moving him and figure out what you can do to replace him.

Winnipeg asks for Skjei for Roslovic? Hell no. Trouba? Now we're talking.

It's a boat load of moving parts and I'd be more concerned if they had a laundry list of guys who were untouchable.

 

[haveandare]

I don't agree. What if Winnipeg is willing to trade Trouba for Skjei, what if Buffalo is willing to offer their 1st+? You always listen, and consider trades for everyone, you never know who will knock your socks off. Plus, I don't view Skjei as this completely untouchable, foundational piece. He's not like McDonagh at 23, he's a decent defenseman at this point.

I mean, I assume literally every team ever is listening on everyone by those standards. If that's what he means, why mention it for NYR specifically when its true of every team there is? I doubt a GM reaches out to another GM about any player and is dismissed before they say a word. Oilers could call the Pens about Crosby - probably going to be a stupid offer, but maybe Chia is stupid enough to offer McDavid for example. Who's not even listening on anything?

Trouba for Skjei isn't that clear imo. He looks better this year for sure, but NYR is a dumpster fire this year, especially all the d-men. Trouba, for all the praise and hype he gets, doesn't put numbers on the board much. Last year, Skjei outscored Trouba's highest scoring total for example. Yeah, points aren't everything, but they're a lot of it if you're not talking about a defensive disaster, and I don't believe Skjei is one in general, though he like everyone else looks like one this year. I'm not sure that they wouldn't switch the way they're regarded if they switched teams this year.

If Buffalo wants to give a lottery ball for a 23 year old second pairing d man who put up 39 points last year... again, I'm not jumping for joy. The chances of that player being Skjei aren't a gimme and Skjei is here now playing solid NHL hockey.

I don't know if I'd say completely untouchable and foundational, but we're looking to get younger and move our 1D. Skjei plays a similar style game as McD, has similar strengths though admittedly less refined, and is only 23.

I'm not saying there's no hypothetical deal for him that would make sense, but I don't think moving him fits in with the plan to get younger and move older, soon to expire deals as much as it signifies that there's not much of a stringent plan at all.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

I think it's likely teams are calling to ask if he's available, I don't think the Rangers are big on trading Kreider right now. He's been injured for awhile, coming back from a serious health issue, value just doesn't seem like it'd be very high

I definitely agree with that, I think a Kreider trade is a draft day trade after he comes back at some point this season and proves he can still play

 

[NYR Viper]

I'm listening to the Bobcast and he is discussing TB. It's funny how he clearly states that TB doesn't want to give up guys off of their roster. They think the time to compete is right now due to the new contracts needed for Kucherov and others. They want to deal prospects and draft picks

Foote + Howden + Hejak + TB 1st '18 + TB 1st '19

 

[haveandare]

Stop listening to the talking heads that just get random blurbs and transform it into sensationalist clickbait

I'm not taking their word as gospel, just discussing it since this thread exists partially for that reason.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Of the first 5 in your core, two haven’t been in the NHL yet so they are complete mysteries, one is more interested in his looks and lifestyle and scared ****less on the ice, and one is a gigantic stoner straight out of the movie Fast Times at Ridgemont High who also is very inconsistent

Yeah we get it you hate good skilled players

Go somewhere else with that shit cause I don’t want it

 

[nyr2k2]

I think the point is that the Rangers are willing to listen to offers on anyone (as every team should), but that they also have a list of guys that they're actively shopping. Like, okay, make me an offer on Skjei, Kreider, Miller, etc., and we'll consider it, and if it blows our socks off maybe we'll go for it. But there's obviously guys they're proactively trying to move.

 

[Ola]

Ehhh, I trust McKenzie and Friedman enough. Dreger or anyone else, not so much

Isn’t these guys reporting that people are asking about Kreider more than that he will be moved? Seems like the TSN info comes from buyers while Brooks info comes from the seller.

Don’t for a second think Gorton is making anyone untouchable — but I have a really hard time seeing anyone offering Gorts what it would take to get Kreider. But sure if Winnipeg is offering up an Ehlers the age difference and injury history on Kreids lately would probably make it worth while. Leo Draisatl for Kreider and TDA — it’s not like I expect Gorts to turn it down.

 

[NYR Viper]

Here's a question:

Would anyone take a Brayden Schenn-like deal for JT Miller? That's a cap dump + (2) 1st's

 

[Mac n Gs]

Disagree. The team should be exploring every avenue to see what is out there in the market. Then, once they know what that market looks like, they can start making decisions about individual players.

If the market on Kreider is soft then you keep him. If a team is willing to pay out the nose with high end pieces? Well then you consider moving him and figure out what you can do to replace him.

Winnipeg asks for Skjei for Roslovic? Hell no. Trouba? Now we're talking.

It's a boat load of moving parts and I'd be more concerned if they had a laundry list of guys who were untouchable.

This was my interpretation as well, and I like this approach. Internally, I’m sure the Rangers have guys they’re leaning towards keeping unless there’s an overpayment, and that’s a good thing. They’re being open and transparent, and exploring all avenues. That’s a lot more reassuring to me than shoehorning themselves into a specific niche and ending this rebuilding period with more of the same.

 

[Zibanejbread]

I don't see a lot of mentions about him, but I would absolutely include Fast in our "core". Need a guy like him on this roster.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Watch us not trade McD or Zucc at the deadline or draft.

My gut reaction is to say that's definitely possible. But why hold that press conference if you aren't trading one/both of those guys in the next 6 months? I mean I guess just dealing the UFAs and not buying for the playoffs could be enough to explain it, but that seems like a bit of a stretch.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I don't see a lot of mentions about him, but I would absolutely include Fast in our "core". Need a guy like him on this roster.

Not only because I got his jersey recently (during the NHL Store Clearance) but I wouldn't trade Fast unless they can get like two 2nds.

I can see him having a very Jan Erixon like career here. Quietly is around for ten seasons and then just heads back to Sweden to occasionally show up for Alumni Events. Really nice guy as well.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Here's a question:

Would anyone take a Brayden Schenn-like deal for JT Miller? That's a cap dump + (2) 1st's

I keep on thinking that JT would be someone who is on Nashville's radar more so than Nash.

 

[nyrage]

The Rangers should listen to all offers. No one is untouchable on this roster.

This is the perfect time to rebuild and no time to feel sentimental either. I would like to keep CK, but hey, if a great offer comes around, then maybe we should consider it. I love Zucc, but I won't cry if he is traded. Same for McDonaugh or even Hank if by some miracle someone was still interested with that cap hit. The long-term health of this organization should be the priority. If the return seems below what we think one of those guys should have gotten, well then maybe I'll cry.

 

[Machinehead]

Here's a question:

Would anyone take a Brayden Schenn-like deal for JT Miller? That's a cap dump + (2) 1st's

Depends on the cap dump.

Is he an overpaid NHL asset or a corpse?

 

[kovazub94]

Nash, Grabner, DD and Holden / Kampfer are likely all gone.

As far as the other names go, those expecting more trades are likely to be disappointed. A maximum of one trade where Gorton is likely to get an enticing overpayment offer.

 

[Don Chytil]

Here's a question:

Would anyone take a Brayden Schenn-like deal for JT Miller? That's a cap dump + (2) 1st's

I don't think I would. Let me nerd out on probability for a moment:

The two picks would likely be from a contender - let's assume they fall between 20-29. I looked back at the last 6 or 7 drafts, and each year there's an average of 2 players picked between 20-29 that I would prefer over JT Miller.

So the probability of Player A taken in 2018 being a player better than Miller is 20%. And the probability of Player B being a better player than Miller is 20%.

So the probability of Player A and/or Player B being better than Miller is 36%. The probability of BOTH players being better than Miller is 4%. If you want to gamble, go for it. Sometimes you find gems in the 20-29 range (Pastrnak, Boeser, Chytil? ). But in general, I don't like the odds.

 

[Vitto79]

I keep on thinking that JT would be someone who is on Nashville's radar more so than Nash.

They should keep Miller, Buch , Zib, Kreider , Vesey , Fast , Lettieri

Dump Hayes. Chytil and Andersson , Nieves will play

Empty out McLeod , Carey , DD and replace w kids at the deadline .

Obviously move UFAs Nash and Grabner

Sadly move Zuc and McD w 1 yr left

Eat half of Smith . Staal may be done and on IR. See what Deangelo , Gilmour , Pionk can do the rest of the way . Skjei only D untouchable

 

[kovazub94]

My gut reaction is to say that's definitely possible. But why hold that press conference if you aren't trading one/both of those guys in the next 6 months? I mean I guess just dealing the UFAs and not buying for the playoffs could be enough to explain it, but that seems like a bit of a stretch.

It is not only a potential of trading McD that prompted the presser. A big part of NY Rangers fandom don’t appreciate that being out of PO spot by 3 points at this time has an altogether different context than in the recent past.

 

[Avery16]

They have Schmaltz, Walman, and Lindbohm all available for call-up, have previously been called up. They went with Chris Butler, who has some history with the team as well.

They also have been icing 7D for most games recently, so an injury to one means very little to what they’d do in acquiring a D.

 

[Ola]

I'm listening to the Bobcast and he is discussing TB. It's funny how he clearly states that TB doesn't want to give up guys off of their roster. They think the time to compete is right now due to the new contracts needed for Kucherov and others. They want to deal prospects and draft picks

Foote + Howden + Hejak + TB 1st '18 + TB 1st '19

I don’t mind Foote, but more often than not these types of deals are horrible. Think Gorts should hold out for a more attractive piece. Get someone that can become a real difference maker.

 

[Ola]

Top tier targets for me would be:
Jesse Puljujarvi
Max Domi
Kiiril Kaprizov