Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part XIII: Have no fear, the TDL is near (Mod Post page 233, #5809 - READ IT)

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I completely understand where you’re coming from. And I don’t entirely disagree.

Kreider is 26. He’ll still be effective in 2 years. Or 3. Or 5. I’m just open to the idea of moving him if the return is overwhelming.


Well said.

He's one of the last guys I'd move but I really do wonder what a team like Winnipeg would give up for him. He fits them like a glove.
 
The Rangers don't want to give McDonagh a long term contract. EJ Hradek was saying the Rangers are worried about giving McDonagh a long term contract after the Girardi and Staal contracts. EJ and Billy Jaffe were discussing Zuccarello. EJ asked Jaffe who knows the Bruins well if Boston and Zuccarello could be a fit. Is Boston interested in Zuccarello?
 
Dreger has always been terrible but lately he's gone off the deep end as with Elliott Freidman and most people from TSN .the bobfather and Brooks only two with any real insight for us lately

Brooks is as legit as they come when it comes to the NYR's.
The other ones are just really gifted at regurgitating words and posting the same shit over and over IMO
 
What year has it not been in February?

True. I understand the excitement. But people are losing their collective minds. We have people bundling McDonagh, Lundqvist and Nash in single deals. That’s Not how you get value, nor is some of it even possible under the cap.
 
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The Rangers don't want to give McDonagh a long term contract. EJ Hradek was saying the Rangers are worried about giving McDonagh a long term contract after the Girardi and Staal contracts. EJ and Billy Jaffe were discussing Zuccarello. EJ asked Jaffe who knows the Bruins well if Boston and Zuccarello could be a fit. Is Boston interested in Zuccarello?

They say that then they'll end up throwing $9M/7 at Karlsson..
 
The Rangers don't want to give McDonagh a long term contract. EJ Hradek was saying the Rangers are worried about giving McDonagh a long term contract after the Girardi and Staal contracts. EJ and Billy Jaffe were discussing Zuccarello. EJ asked Jaffe who knows the Bruins well if Boston and Zuccarello could be a fit. Is Boston interested in Zuccarello?
Great, so if Hradek is correct, we will never keep an elite talent who is around 30 long term because the FO moronically overpaid two guys who were clearly not good anymore. Smart GM'ing.
 
I assure you that nobody is enjoying my team, other than their opponents and the fans of their opponents. :) As far as hockey discussion, that's what I was attempting to engage in diplomatically with @Alluckks and even with @bobbop (although I will concede I did a poor job of that, and ruffled feathers over my initial reply to him are justified). Alright, I've reached a point of derailing. @rt if you want to talk about Zibanejad to Arizona, or stop by our board. Apologies to @bobbop if I offended.

Hey I'm going to step up for my guy here, we've got folks here that are connected. Bops mentioned things independently of others on here that were out there around some very reliable sources, especially the guys around the Rangers practice facility.

All the way from Phoenix.

He's definitely in the know.
 
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Great, so if Hradek is correct, we will never keep an elite talent who is around 30 long term because the FO moronically overpaid two guys who were clearly not good anymore. Smart GM'ing.

I think the idea moving forward is going to be to lock those guys up well before then so you pay for their prime years, rather than paying for what the players once were.
 
Nashville isn't trading Tolvanen. Scouts think he can score 30 in the NHL. Skeptical on Fabbro moving as well.

The rest of the kids (they are deep), are available. Harper, Peterson, Gaudreau, picks.

Gorts and Co will try and build an identity. So the trades they make will show where they are headed.
 
I think the idea moving forward is going to be to lock those guys up well before then so you pay for their prime years, rather than paying for what the players once were.
Ideally that would be the goal, but it's not always an open and shut case. And I think elite level players should be looked at a bit differently than guys like Staal and Girardi who were quite frankly very replaceable.
 
Kreider has 3 years until UFA. That has to be considered. If next year is the beginning of a rebuild and this takes a couple of years at a minimum, will Chris want to re-sign here? I’m guessing ‘no’. I wouldn’t be opposed to trading him IF the return was worth it. For example, would St Louis trade Kostin + 1st ‘18 + 1st ‘19 for Kreider? That’s a deal I’d do
 
Great, so if Hradek is correct, we will never keep an elite talent who is around 30 long term because the FO moronically overpaid two guys who were clearly not good anymore. Smart GM'ing.

I think it's more that the team didn't heed the warning signs with those players that they were heading for a rapid decline. McDonagh is still an elite defensemen, but he seems to be nursing an injury every season. Eventually that is going to catch up with him, and it's tough to deal with a declining player on a $8-9M per year contract.
 
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I just listened to that insider trader segment. I think Dreger just spoke too quickly and used the wrong saying. I think he meant under the radar or unexpected. I think low-level is not what he meant to put across
 
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Know I'm likely alone on this but I really would hate to see the NYR trade Miller. Jerked around all over the lineup and through every forward position under AV. I get that certain stats indicate unsustainability in his scoring numbers, but to me he is one of the most skilled players on the team. Frustrating and inconsistent at times. But I feel like he often is thought of like Callahan/Dubinsky because he is American and plays with an edge, but his pure raw skill level is closer to Zucc.
 
Imagine Kreider on McDavid’s wing? The speed of the two combined with McDavid’s skill and Kreider’s power?

Yeah I think Kreider and Miller probably shot up to the top of Chia's list. They need to compete now, and another lottery pick isn't going to help them. Kreider is probably Chia's dream pick for McDavid's wing. That being said, their pool is hot garbage for the most part and outside of their 1st rounder, I don't see a whole lot I'd want that could realistically be available -- a guy like Nurse is almost certainly off limits, for example. Puljujarvi has looked pretty pedestrian since turning pro.
 
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Nashville isn't trading Tolvanen. Scouts think he can score 30 in the NHL. Skeptical on Fabbro moving as well.

The rest of the kids (they are deep), are available. Harper, Peterson, Gaudreau, picks.

Gorts and Co will try and build an identity. So the trades they make will show where they are headed.

Everything thats been out there suggests hes more or less a trade chip for them.

For Nash? Would be quite a coup.
 
Yeah I think Kreider and Miller probably shot up to the top of Chia's list. They need to compete now, and another lottery pick isn't going to help them. Kreider is probably Chia's dream pick for McDavid's wing. That being said, their pool is hot garbage for the most part and outside of their 1st rounder, I don't see a whole lot I'd want that could realistically be available -- a guy like Nurse is almost certainly off limits, for example. Puljujarvi has looked pretty pedestrian since turning pro.
It'd have to be their 1st or maybe even Klefbom if they feel Nurse can replace him.
 
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Yeah I think Kreider and Miller probably shot up to the top of Chia's list. They need to compete now, and another lottery pick isn't going to help them. Kreider is probably Chia's dream pick for McDavid's wing. That being said, their pool is hot garbage for the most part and outside of their 1st rounder, I don't see a whole lot I'd want that could realistically be available -- a guy like Nurse is almost certainly off limits, for example. Puljujarvi has looked pretty pedestrian since turning pro.

Yeah, I feel you. Klefbom is a guy I would consider if McD is moved. Not necessarily an exciting return for Kreids though. Edmonton’s 1st is attractive but if we make them better and they surge in the standings it could be worse than our own 1st. Never know. I still would take Draisaitl in a heartbeat. Guy has played 47% of his hockey with McDavid this year, the other 53% centering his own line but he leads the league in even strength assists and is on pace for 70 points again. He would be our captain and face of the franchise immediately after Hank’s tenure.
 
Maybe. Maybe not.

If someone’s offering you the 4th overall pick, then there’s something to think about.

And maybe I’m crazy, but I’ve always had higher expectations from Kreider. I’m not disregarding what he’s accomplished, nor am I dumb enough to assume he’s easily replaceable.

It ultimately depends on his value. I would listen to the offers. And if the return fits the direction we should take this team, then so be it.
Someone who is offering the 4th overall pick is a team that is not contending...so why would that team make that deal? When they took can keep the pick and take their chances to draft a player of their own while continue their own Rebuild path that they have already started..
 
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