Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part XIII: Have no fear, the TDL is near (Mod Post page 233, #5809 - READ IT)

[FIRE DRURY]

Wish I could hear Smith’s hot take on pending demotion

He got married. His wife now does the talking for him.

I’m so happy I’m divorced.

 

[Avery16]

He got married. His wife now does the talking for him.

I’m so happy I’m divorced.

How many mulligans do we have to give him if he gets a divorce

 

[Lion Hound]

I don't think NYR expects to be bottom feeders for 3 years, if they did then maybe they could convince Hank to waive his NMC, but then you gotta find a trade partner for a 36yo goalie on a huge contract, that will be tough even though he's arguably a top 5 goalie of all time.

I don't think there are too many teams that would pass at the opportunity to add Lundqvist. Rangers will need to eat a salary in return. But there would be a wealth of assets or players in return.

 

[Nopuckluck]

It cannot be a complete rebuild with Hank here. Most hockey guys I’ve spoken to since the press conference after reading the letter said it can only mean one thing. Hank is gone. I don’t believe it myself but that is the perception from the outside

 

[FIRE DRURY]

How many mulligans do we have to give him if he gets a divorce

I’m gonna go with 7 since it’s my lucky number. But I think the fair thing to do is to start a poll so we can vote.

#HFNYRDemocracy

 

[silverfish]

It depends on their methodology for a rebuild. I don't think trading UFAs and reloading the cupboard with young, NHL-ready players by trading Zucc and McD is a complete rebuild a la Buffalo or Edmonton. I also don't think they need to with how the lottery system is structured now, which is a good thing for us.

Didn't someone (Bobby Mac?) report that this isn't going to a full-blown rebuild? I think they're going to do (hopefully) what you've been saying and buy smart and sell smart. I mean I'm obviously nervous, but I'll let JG's actions speak louder than his words.

Guess we'll see.

 

[Thirty One]

It cannot be a complete rebuild with Hank here. Most hockey guys I’ve spoken to since the press conference after reading the letter said it can only mean one thing. Hank is gone. I don’t believe it myself but that is the perception from the outside

My hockey people have told me the opposite.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

While you're here, what's your assessment of Hanifin. Do you think something realistic could be worked out between our teams?

The Canes board is kind of split on Hanifin, but IMO, part of that is due to how well Slavin burst onto the scene. This year would have been akin to Slavin's rookie season in terms of Hanfin's age. Some (including me) feel Hanifin has the potential to be a very high level top pairing guy, but he came into the league too early and is learning on the job. Still, he's getting better every year and his skills are really showing. He's better than anyone else offensively (except for Faulk's shot), is a better skater and has higher skill. Defensively, he's not there yet and still makes more mistake than you'd like and has been somewhat sheltered to this point, so the jury is still out. Some think it's because his hockey IQ isn't as high as a guy like Slavin, but others think that's a part of the game that can take longer for some players that got by on raw ability before the NHL. Some of it is coaching as the Canes coach their D to play very tight gaps and pinch aggressively, which leaves little margin for error. Personally, I'm still very high on him and wouldn't want to move him unless the deal was really good. I'd much rather move Faulk or Fleury, but realize they won't hold as much value.

I'm not sure if anything can be worked out between the teams. If the Canes were going to trade him, it would be for a youngish "potential" 1C / very high 2C. I'm not sure Zib or Miller are enough to fit that mold or not (honestly, I haven't watched them enough to give a fair assessment). I think a lot of it depends on a couple of factors:

1) How confident are the Canes in Necas's ability to be that guy? They are very high on him.
2) How Bean comes along. If Bean comes along and can provide the offense, then a LHD of Slavin, Fleury, Bean could make Hanifin more available.

 

[Blueshirts777]

No way Henrik goes anywhere, his foundation with his wife is based in NYC, he owns a restaurant in Tribeca and his kids are going to school in the city. I want him to finish his career here either way, he's a good leader and his salary is needed for the floor even with a rebuild. We don't have to sell every large contract off

 

[Fireonk]

Look at the Yandle trade, and add some.

How much more? We gave up Duclair - who had similar value as a Howden or Foote does now, a 1st rounder, a 2nd rounder, and John Moore.

 

[Kovalev27]

Hank has no desire to play anywhere else.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

How much more? We gave up Duclair - who had similar value as a Howden or Foote does now, a 1st rounder, a 2nd rounder, and John Moore.

Foote, Howden, a 1st, and a conditional pick if TB wins the Cup and/or re-signs McD.

There were fewer trade options in 2015 than 2018, so that will hurt a bit. Green. OEL. McD. Possibly Karlsson.

Edit: I think both Howden+Foote have more value than Duke.

 

[leetch99]

Nice..I say interrogate him and lift his cell when he's not looking lol.
The one person I know has absolutely nothing..

I doubt he has much either....Gerard would remain pretty tight lipped on this stuff being a pro that he is . LOL...but his bro definitely would have lots of opinions that I do know .

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

And we take Darling off your hands too... Where would your team have been last year or this year with even league average goaltending?

I get that. Problem is, the Canes have a lot of holes and this doesn't do much to fill them for more than a very short window, and doesn't do anything to fill the biggest hole (center). Defense isn't a need, so while clearly McDonagh is superior to Hanifin right now, he's only signed for next year and is more of a luxury than a need. Nash is a pure rental, and the Canes aren't good enough to be paying for rentals right now.

The Canes are very high on Necas, who has done nothing but increase his stock since being drafted and is the ONLY prospect they have that might, someday be a 1C / high 2C. New owner or not, I can't see the Canes mortgaging that much of the future at this point in time, particularly when it's a stop gap return, doesn't fill their biggest need, and actually takes away a guy that could fill their biggest need.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Hypothetical question to you guys. Aside for the obvious names being mentioned, how do you feel about some of our other player being moved?

Kreider, Miller, and Hayes.

Stepan and Raanta were moved for the 7th overall + ADA.

What would you peg these 3 at on draft day? Just curious to hear your reactions.

I think we have the assets to find a way to pick twice in the top-10 without moving the 3 guys I mentioned.

If someone offers us, let’s say, the 6th overall for Kreider or Miller, would you pull the trigger and get that extra pick?

I think I would, given the talent that’s available this draft.

 

[Fireonk]

Foote, Howden, a 1st, and a conditional pick if TB wins the Cup and/or re-signs McD.

There were fewer trade options in 2015 than 2018, so that will hurt a bit. Green. OEL. McD. Possibly Karlsson.

Edit: I think both Howden+Foote have more value than Duke.

So the only difference between what I said and what you did is making the 2nd 1st rounder conditional? That's the difference between fair value and violating Yzerman?

I'm personally not that high on Howden. Think hell be a solid player but I don't see the high end potential.

 

[leetch99]

anyways, back to our regularly scheduled programming

Gonna be a long 2 1/2 weeks

HAHA....could be a long 5 YEARS !

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

Most TBL fans seem to be in love with Howden for some reason, looking into the numbers and Raddysh/Katchouk are just as good, i actually think i prefer them to Howden... So make the offers with Raddysh or Katchouk in there instead of Howden and maybe they won't go bananas haha.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Miller for either a young blue chip defenseman or blue chip forward

Or some combination of top prospect and pick

 

[Matt Rentfree]

Most TBL fans seem to be in love with Howden for some reason, looking into the numbers and Raddysh/Katchouk are just as good, i actually think i prefer them to Howden... So make the offers with Raddysh or Katchouk in there instead of Howden and maybe they won't go bananas haha.

I think Raddysh is the best prospect they have besides Serg and Point.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

So the only difference between what I said and what you did is making the 2nd 1st rounder conditional? That's the difference between fair value and violating Yzerman?

I'm personally not that high on Howden. Think hell be a solid player but I don't see the high end potential.

Foote and Howden are former 1st round picks progressing nicely. Howden will be a very good 2C imo. He can face offs. He can score in the dirty areas of the ice.

Footes a RHD that has offensive abilities.

Both are superior assets than what Duclair was 3 years ago. I think you’re underestimating that right there.

 

[NikC]

He got married. His wife now does the talking for him.

I’m so happy I’m divorced.

Take it somewhere else

 

[duhmetreE]

Hypothetical question to you guys. Aside for the obvious names being mentioned, how do you feel about some of our other player being moved?

Kreider, Miller, and Hayes.

Stepan and Raanta were moved for the 7th overall + ADA.

What would you peg these 3 at on draft day? Just curious to hear your reactions.

I think we have the assets to find a way to pick twice in the top-10 without moving the 3 guys I mentioned.

If someone offers us, let’s say, the 6th overall for Kreider or Miller, would you pull the trigger and get that extra pick?

I think I would, given the talent that’s available this draft.

I'd trade Miller.

I'd keep Kreider unless the return is a 1C. Kreider changes the dynamic of the game when he's on the ice.

 

[Fireonk]

Foote and Howden are former 1st round picks progressing nicely. Howden will be a very good 2C imo. He can face offs. He can score in the dirty areas of the ice.

Footes a RHD that has offensive abilities.

Both are superior assets than what Duclair was 3 years ago. I think you’re underestimating that right there.

I think you are underestimating what Duclair's value was back then, but well just have to agree to disagree there since we can't go back in time.

Either way your suggested value was only different from mine by making the 2nd first rounder in the proposal conditional.

 

[rt]

He is 23 and came here last you, you can likely answer that yourself

If you are thinking Domi, then no.

I'm not thinking Domi And he's not 23, he's 24 and will be 25 in 8 weeks

Sadly, I am a Coyotes fan. So you're right, I'm interested in Zibanejad from a Coyotes perspective. Our two teams connected in June in the Stepan and Raanta for 7th overall and DeAngelo trade. Raanta has been great and Stepan has been...eh. Similarly, Andersson has been great and DeAngelo has been...eh. I think both sides are at least reasonably happy with how it went. Coyotes fans maybe less so than the Coyotes staff, but hey...our votes don't count, do they?

The name that actually popped into my head is Dylan Strome. He's 20 years old, and has been ripping up the AHL. He's got 41pts in 33gp and had some dazzling sequences in the AHL ASG. That said, he's been unable to make any impact in the NHL thus far. Again, he's 20, but it's at least possible the Coyotes are growing impatient. This is another one where Coyotes fans are probably not quite on the same page as the actual decision makers. I'd rather have Mittelstadt, or Necas, or Vilardi, or Andersson than Stepan but our GM was told it was time to try to win some games and he did his best to make that happen. It didn't work. So what do we do now? Sell again? I doubt it. I expect we're going to double-down and try to finally right this ship next season. Even if it's a half-measure that sets us back longer-term.

Speaking of doubling down, I wonder if the Rangers aren't in a gambling mood. It seems like the right time. Chytil and Andersson are really bright spots and I could see Dylan Strome's tremendous boom/bust potential being appealing to a team just on the brink of tearing it all down to the studs.

I feel like something centered around Strome for Zibanejad could be somewhat appealing for both General Managers. I think most Coyotes fans would want to punch me in the face for suggesting it. This because most of us see Strome as our best, last hope of ever turning things around. I also suspect most Rangers fans are going to be quick to dismiss the incredible upside of Strome because that's en vogue at the moment. I think that has less to do with the undeniably impressive resume this 20 year kid has and more to do with unfair expectations placed on him due to draft position and draft class. In a vacuum, what he's accomplished rightly places him as one of the best prospects in the sport. In the end, I think this is a home-run swing for a stand-up double.

I'm guessing the first question from most Rangers fans would be, what else are we adding to Strome to get Zibanejad. I think most Coyotes fans would say not a goddamned thing. I'd be more inclined to say nothing better than a late 2nd.

Maybe I'm way the hell out to lunch on this. I feel like I pegged the Stepan & Raanta value pretty well, offering the 7th overall and 35th overall picks (with DeAngelo's performance, I'm glad that didn't happen - haha). That doesn't mean I'm not completely wrong on this one, though. What do you guys think?