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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XII

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In NYC to inform him he signs and gets traded to the Rangers. He just needs to work out the numbers with Gordo.
 
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Vinny DeAngelo said:
Basically said he talked to ADA and he knows what he has to do to get back in the lineup... Some on here say that means ADA doesn't practice hard enough. To me it sounds like a bratty GF who wants you to apologize for something you didn't do
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I dunno. Maybe he doesn't. I can't imagine two coaches treating a piece of a major deal like this unless something was wrong.

You have to remember, the successes and failures of ADA fall on JG and I have a hard time believing JG being okay with ADA continuously being scratched unless the feedback from the coaching staff was that bad. For the record, I like ADA. I want him to succeed. However, the reality is, he is on his third NHL team in 4 years, his third NHL team at 22 years of age, and despite putting up 2 points in 2 games, he is a healthy scratch for the 7th game in a row.
 
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Vinny DeAngelo said:
Yea lets reward the guy that gave the worst effort in our last loss... "building a culture" "you gotta earn it"
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If you want some plays to be made and score you have to put your best players on the top line, not rocket science.

Zucc has 6 points in 8 games despite this bad team, collecting assists as usual.
 
Zucc+McQuaid + for Nylander? I just don't see anything like this happening. I'd rather have Panarin for free though.

Also the Michael Nylander connection to NYR is worrying me. Maybe he's trying to get his son here.

Panarin @ 8/y >>>> Nylander @ 8/y
 
Gardner McKay said:
I dunno. Maybe he doesn't. I can't imagine two coaches treating a piece of a major deal like this unless something was wrong.

You have to remember, the successes and failures of ADA fall on JG and I have a hard time believing JG being okay with ADA continuously being scratched unless the feedback from the coaching staff was that bad. For the record, I like ADA. I want him to succeed. However, the reality is, he is on his third NHL team in 4 years, his third NHL team at 22 years of age, and despite putting up 2 points in 2 games, he is a healthy scratch for the 7th game in a row.
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I feel like the 3rd team non-sense is over blown.... He played one AHL season for Tampa and was sold off to Arizona. Arizona is just funky and all over the place with its personal management.
 
NYRFANMANI said:
Zucc+McQuaid + for Nylander? I just don't see anything like this happening. I'd rather have Panarin for free though.

Also the Michael Nylander connection to NYR is worrying me. Maybe he's trying to get his son here.

Panarin @ 8/y >>>> Nylander @ 8/y
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I'll take the 22 year old over a guy who is going to be 27 in a week. Nylanders entire contract will be his prime years...can't say the same for Panarin.
 
DeAngelo is in the "Do not break glass unless it's an emergency" category at this point. Maybe he always was?

When they made that trade, it was before Shattenkirk, and Pionk was very unknown. Rangers needed a RD who could maybe do something offensively.

Last season DeAngelo did not play until things happened. Shattenkirk hurt, Smith Demoted.

They even acquired McQuaid.

I don't think it's coincidence, I don't think they really care if DeAngelo develops, but instead of waiving him they'll just keep stringing him along unless an emergency comes up and they need to break the glass. If that emergency never takes place, are they going to qualify him next off-season? Is he going to sign it? I guess if they stop paying him it will just take care of itself.
 
NYRFANMANI said:
Zucc+McQuaid + for Nylander? I just don't see anything like this happening. I'd rather have Panarin for free though.

Also the Michael Nylander connection to NYR is worrying me. Maybe he's trying to get his son here.

Panarin @ 8/y >>>> Nylander @ 8/y
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Do you think Panarin is only getting 8 mil per year as a UFA?
 
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DeAngelo is in the "Do not break glass unless it's an emergency" category at this point. Maybe he always was?

When they made that trade, it was before Shattenkirk, and Pionk was very unknown. Rangers needed a RD who could maybe do something offensively.

Last season DeAngelo did not play until things happened. Shattenkirk hurt, Smith Demoted.

They even acquired McQuaid.

I don't think it's coincidence, I don't think they really care if DeAngelo develops, but instead of waiving him they'll just keep stringing him along unless an emergency comes up and they need to break the glass. If that emergency never takes place, are they going to qualify him next off-season? Is he going to sign it? I guess if they stop paying him it will just take care of itself.
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I think DeAngelo is in his current position precisely because they care about developing him, but I could be wrong. Maybe they no longer value him as a prospect. In either case though, I think you have to acknowledge that there are things that ADA is or isn't doing that has led him to this point. If they have given up on him, it's because he isn't playing up to their expectations, whether that's in practice, in games or both. Teams don't trade for a player and then just throw him on the scrap pile (excluding cap dumps, which ADA was not). It's in the team's best interest for him to succeed.
 
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The times I've seen ADA this year there seemed to me to be marked improvement from his play last year. Again I think signing Shattenkirk has hurt him more than anything.
 
Why wouldnt the Rangers sign Panarin even if they acquire Nylander?

They can afford both right now with Zucc due to come off the books and the cap space we already have. Plus they will likely dump one of Smith/Staal contracts, minimum one of Nams/Spooner, and likely Hayes and Zucc as well. Panarin and Nylander trump all those forwards and then some. You replace the roster spots with guys like Andersson and Kravtsov by next year
 
RGY said:
Is it odd they would be meeting in NYC and not Toronto? Its not like the Leafs are in town playing.
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The GM was at the Ranger's game yesterday and the agent lives in NYC. Still, where there is smoke, there is fire..
 
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duhmetreE said:
I'd play ADA over Shatty but we know that's not happening. Maybe Toronto would be foolishly interested in Shatty at half of the cost? We need to get him off the team IMO
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Or just scratch McQuaid, which seems like the easiest move to make. But obviously ADA is doing something the coaches disapprove of so it doesn't really matter.
 
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So he goes down to NYC to see Nylanders agent, and says ehh while i'm in town let me scout a team we may be trading with this winter....

Were theres smoke, theres usually a crazed fan holding a bic lighter on
 
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GAGLine said:
I think DeAngelo is in his current position precisely because they care about developing him, but I could be wrong. Maybe they no longer value him as a prospect. In either case though, I think you have to acknowledge that there are things that ADA is or isn't doing that has led him to this point. If they have given up on him, it's because he isn't playing up to their expectations, whether that's in practice, in games or both. Teams don't trade for a player and then just throw him on the scrap pile (excluding cap dumps, which ADA was not). It's in the team's best interest for him to succeed.
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I'm not totally convinced it's about his play. To put it one way,


Say they did play him and he kept playing well, they'd have to justify his next scratch. His game may grow on the fans, maybe the media will even take notice and ask some difficult specific questions?


Yet if they scratch him often, and he plays poorly at any point coming back in, they can justify scratching him and all the fans and media will by default come to the conclusion the Rangers were correct that his game was just never good enough.


Now, If they just do not like something about him outside of his play, justified or not, I think the second option there seems to be an unwritten way to make sure the player is not part of the long term plans, yet no need to waive him because if an emergency comes up...
 
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