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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XI

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silverfish said:
I have no specific idea but I will say there isn't a single player in the organization currently that would be a dealbreaker for me in a deal for Nylander. He's better than every piece that we have. Only player on this roster that I think might match up to Nylander is Kreider and that's because I'm insanely biased.
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I don't disagree on the Nylander value --- which is part of the challenge I think the Rangers will have.

For the Leafs, there's really not an incentive to move Nylander and get back someone like Shattenkirk and prospects, or Kreider and prospects.

If the Leafs are going to move Nylander, I suspect they're going in with more of the mindset of a Ryan Johansen - Seth Jones type swap. In other words, they want another player in that general age range who can have a comparable impact on different part of their roster.

I mean the Rangers could in theory put together a package that involves Kreider and some combination that includes one of Kravtsov, Andersson, or Chytil, but I don't think the Rangers want to go down that route. Nor do I really believe Toronto would either, when push comes to shove.
 
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NYR Viper said:
The guy would make some sense for Toronto is Chris Kreider. He's an ideal winger for a guy like Matthews, he can retrieve pucks and get to the net. He has a good amount of skill and size and his contract ends at the same time Marleau's does so they will have $$ to give him his slight increase he will probably ask for.
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Given that Matthews and Kadri are both goal-scorers, I would say Zuccarello makes more sense for them than Kreider.
 
Why does it have to be the Leafs?

Shouldn't the point be to build value so the Rangers or the trade market values the players?

Other than Howden who's value has increased so far this season? I know it's only 5 games in.
 
Off Sides said:
Why does it have to be the Leafs?

Shouldn't the point be to build value so the Rangers or the trade market values the players?

Other than Howden who's value has increased so far this season? I know it's only 5 games in.
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Because they haven't signed Nylander yet. This is all predicated on adding a 22-year old 60-point player to the organization. As @silverfish said, he'd instantly be our best young piece.

These are the kinds of situations you keep your eyes open for. If you don't make this kind of deal, then you deal for futures at the deadline. Either way is fine, but the Rangers really should be exploring it.
 
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The addition of Nylander instantly makes us so much more dangerous on the first line by pairing him with Mika. You give Mika that right-handed playmaker that’s able to push the pace and drive defenders back with speed because he’s also a goal scoring threat.
People keep mentioning Zucc, but what about Buchnevich? I think that makes it more reasonable and it gives Toronto a cost-controlled piece instead of an UFA.
 
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I need someone to legitimately answer this. Why is nylander suddenly someone we are willing to break the bank for? He's a guy that's scored what...61 and 62 points or something to that effect....playing with one of the top 10 forwards in the nhl..on a team that doesn't give a crap about defense...only scoring....and wants 8m plus.


Why is THIS.the guy we're going to cash in our chips for.

I just don't get it.

I've seen a fair amount of nylander and he never struck me as a guy that was going to be the guy to carry a team on his shoulders.

People were pissed at what Nash gave us at 8m a year...what're they gonna do for nylander whose not even a great defensive player like nash was.
 
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Tawnos said:
Because they haven't signed Nylander yet. This is all predicated on adding a 22-year old 60-point player to the organization. As @silverfish said, he'd instantly be our best young piece.
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It's predicated by him now, but what about the next player or next pick who people want to trade for because whatever the situation is?

Say near/at the trade deadline, or next off-season, who on the Rangers out of these 5 games has increased their value towards either the Rangers or on the trade market? Howden, maybe Vesey, Smith, Claesson yet other than them there has not been much positive progress. Again I know 5 games. Yet I have a feeling I can just repost that at 10 games, 20, more?
 
I don't think a deal for Nylander or someone like him is necessarily dependent on the Rangers desire to make such a deal, so much as it the other team.

I'm still having a hard time seeing why the Leafs would go down that route. So my question isn't so much why does it have to be the Leafs, so much as why does it have to be the Rangers?
 
Off Sides said:
It's predicated by him now, but what about the next player or next pick who people want to trade for because whatever the situation is?

Say near/at the trade deadline, or next off-season, who on the Rangers out of these 5 games has increased their value towards either the Rangers or on the trade market? Howden, maybe Vesey, Smith, Claesson yet other than them there has not been much positive progress. Again I know 5 games. Yet I have a feeling I can just repost that at 10 games, 20, more?
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You're the one who asked why we're talking about Toronto.
 
Tawnos said:
Given that Matthews and Kadri are both goal-scorers, I would say Zuccarello makes more sense for them than Kreider.
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I would think, age-wise, Kreider makes more sense. Kreider isn't a playmaker, that I agree with, but he is a possession machine and he turns pucks over all over the ice. More possession time would be a good thing for someone like Matthews
 
I'd say there is some substance in that rumor coming from Sweden about a possible Zucc-Nylander trade. Someone mentioned this Swedish commentator (Håkan Södergren) has connections with Nylander's dad. Even more interesting is that Södergren lives in Norway, was leader of the national hockey union there, I'm sure he also has connections with the Zuccarello camp.

Håkan Södergren - Wikipedia
 
Inferno said:
I need someone to legitimately answer this. Why is nylander suddenly someone we are willing to break the bank for? He's a guy that's scored what...61 and 62 points or something to that effect....playing with one of the top 10 forwards in the nhl..on a team that doesn't give a crap about defense...only scoring....and wants 8m plus.


Why is THIS.the guy we're going to cash in our chips for.

I just don't get it.

I've seen a fair amount of nylander and he never struck me as a guy that was going to be the guy to carry a team on his shoulders.

People were pissed at what Nash gave us at 8m a year...what're they gonna do for nylander whose not even a great defensive player like nash was.
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Talking about veteran chips? Because if we trade Hayes, Zuccarello, and Shattenkirk at the deadline for all futures, there's an extremely slim chance that any of those futures will turn into what Nylander already is.

And $8m players don't carry teams. This isn't 2012. $8m players are complimentary first line players.
 
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Webster said:
I'd say there is some substance in that rumor coming from Sweden about a possible Zucc-Nylander trade. Someone mentioned this Swedish commentator (Håkan Södergren) has connections with Nylander's dad. Even more interesting is that Södergren lives in Norway, was leader of the national hockey union there, I'm sure he also has connections with the Zuccarello camp.

Håkan Södergren - Wikipedia
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Not for nothing, but agents and parents don't usually know what's going on in trade negotiations.
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
It's really amazing to me that Buchnevich played his way into the doghouse already when all he really needed to do was show a pulse.
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Well we heard what Brooks said. Buch was supposed to play left wing, but he always ended up on the right side bumping into Fast :laugh:
 
Buch’s problem is so easy to spot: he’s not shooting. He’s generating the fewest amount of shot attempts amongst our forwards and he’s been way too passive with the puck.
 
Crease said:
I'm starting to think Buchnevich will not be the next Kucherov.
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I don't think he will ever be a first-line winger on a competitive team -- at least not consistently. He'd be a good second-line on a mediocre team or, on a competitive team, a very good third-liner with occasional powerplay time. He's skilled, for sure, and he's still young. I get it. He just doesn't have that je ne sais quoi that true first liners have.

But that's just my two cents.
 
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