Irishguy42
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If Zucc returned two first round picks, it would be the best of overpayments and Gorton should have a statue built in front of MSG
Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part XI: We can read between the lines
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no, too much risk.
yeah, you could get lucky
Pulj could be all that AND a bag of chips.
But if he is another MPS who turns out to not be so Magnus, then we have sucked ass.
IF Kreider, then ONLY LeoDrai, as core pieces.
Amazing Kreiderman
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You are delusional if you think Draisaitl is a possibility in a Kreider trade. And comparing Puljujarvi to MPS is just ridiculous. Especially coming from you, the person who regards draft position as the major reason you want certain players (Reinhart, Strome, Heiskanen etc).
This guy would look good on the blue line next season.
The Rangers are bad enough to win the lottery. Ping pongs fall in their way. Draft Dahlin.
The Rangers are bad enough to win the lottery. Ping pongs fall in their way. Draft Dahlin.
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If we draft Dahlin, I am going to jump up and down for days celebrating. I've seen that kid play a few times and he is by far the best player on the ice every time. The ease with which he skates by others is something I haven't seen in my lifetime from a 17yo.
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The key is to start planning for the 2021-22 season. Lundqvist, Shattenkirk, Staal, Smith will all be UFA in the summer of 2021...
I think that timeline is correct, I myself have said that same thing many times, they have 4 years to really get this thing going in the right direction.
They should start with the 21-22 years and work their way backwards. Make moves consistent with an overall direction towards that time period.
It is also when there will likely be a new CBA.
Not delusional.
Making it fully clear to EDM fair value [ballpark Drai] is not an option for Kreider. If they want him = dominant line w/McDavid, they have to seriously overpay, and Draisatil must be a core piece in that equation.
I am not in favor of moving Kreider.
AV should not be accommodated.
He should be made to bend, buckle and break in his self centered arrogance before he is kicked out the door. Shades of Cat Francis moving the superior Ratelle + Park for Espo + Vadnais, just to show he could break up the team.
We should be opportunistic about talent upgrades and supplement them to Kreider, Miller, Zib, Skjei. - our young core.
"comparing Puljujarvi to MPS is just ridiculous" - I did not do THAT, I just said there is a real risk w/Pulju, who is an unknown at this point. This does not mean you don't deal for him; it does mean you are not treating him as THE core piece for Kreider.
something around Nash + Grabner + for Pulju + conditional 1st + cap dump
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2 expiring contracts for Puljujarvi, cond. 1st and a cap dump? Man, this is worse than anything you've posted this month.
Is Pierre McGuire stoned questioning the Rangers decision to buy Girardi out? These people are a little bit too much.
offdacrossbar
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am i delusional in thinking we are nowhere near as bad as our record ? i mean we havent been good but we are not that much different than last years team.
lindberg is going crazy in vegas ok, he's a solid player who's getting a shot but stepan looked very meh to me the other night, rather slow and plodding. im sorry, he just doesnt make this team that much better.
if we move a piece like CK, its gotta be for an impact forward back. not sure i like it.
move grabs, nash and zuc first.
the defense is the problem right now. you score 4 on carey price and you win that game normally. the defense is a mess. fix the defense. the offense is there. its fine.
holden is awful. mcd hasn't been great. the d zone coverage is a tire fire.
fire AV and give the team to lindy ruff. time to try to save the season. AV'S time has come and gone.
lindberg is going crazy in vegas ok, he's a solid player who's getting a shot but stepan looked very meh to me the other night, rather slow and plodding. im sorry, he just doesnt make this team that much better.
if we move a piece like CK, its gotta be for an impact forward back. not sure i like it.
move grabs, nash and zuc first.
the defense is the problem right now. you score 4 on carey price and you win that game normally. the defense is a mess. fix the defense. the offense is there. its fine.
holden is awful. mcd hasn't been great. the d zone coverage is a tire fire.
fire AV and give the team to lindy ruff. time to try to save the season. AV'S time has come and gone.
Grow up.
It is a figurative, not a literal statement, obviously.
Consider 99% of the rest of the board, who do get it, if one of them has time, to tutor you on the dif betw. obvious and obtuse.
Statistically we seem to be an average team this season, looking at xGF% and some other things, we're very close to average.
Hire Sather
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It doesn't even make sense, Lou Gehrig 'did the classy thing' and retired because he was DYING. How does comparing Hank to that make any sense??
You keep referencing other people when responding to me, I'm pretty confident more than half of this board just glosses over the garbage you dish out here.
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1. Fire AV.
2. Give the job to Arniel for the rest of the year. If he's good? Great. If he's not? Great. Find fresh blood.
3. Give Ruff the offense.
4. Put Schony on the bench, give him the defense.
5. I don't know why we haven't traded for Ship yet. Do it. Vegas doesn't need defense, so this isn't a "Holden + 2nd round pick" deal. Give them Vesey. Cut that cord, call it day.
6. Bench Holden, waive Kampfer, put DeAngelo in the lineup, or trade for someone better.
7. Get Buchnevich off the 4th line for ****s sake.
This team isn't as bad as their record. Everyone likes to blame Hank and the goaltending, but they are playing slightly above their expectation. Stop missing the forest for the trees. There isn't a team in the league that gives up more dangerous chances than the Rangers. This isn't because the defense, individually, is bad, this is because the defense, the system, is ****ing broken, and has been broken for at least two years now. We don't see it because Hank miracled us to a playoff round win last season, and the stink of being embarrassed by the Pens two years ago got washed out in the memories. That's when the house-cleaning should've happened. AV should've been fired after the 15-16 season. We're two years late, and sinking further every day.
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Easier said than done? Maybe. But it shouldn't be that hard.
2. Give the job to Arniel for the rest of the year. If he's good? Great. If he's not? Great. Find fresh blood.
3. Give Ruff the offense.
4. Put Schony on the bench, give him the defense.
5. I don't know why we haven't traded for Ship yet. Do it. Vegas doesn't need defense, so this isn't a "Holden + 2nd round pick" deal. Give them Vesey. Cut that cord, call it day.
6. Bench Holden, waive Kampfer, put DeAngelo in the lineup, or trade for someone better.
7. Get Buchnevich off the 4th line for ****s sake.
This team isn't as bad as their record. Everyone likes to blame Hank and the goaltending, but they are playing slightly above their expectation. Stop missing the forest for the trees. There isn't a team in the league that gives up more dangerous chances than the Rangers. This isn't because the defense, individually, is bad, this is because the defense, the system, is ****ing broken, and has been broken for at least two years now. We don't see it because Hank miracled us to a playoff round win last season, and the stink of being embarrassed by the Pens two years ago got washed out in the memories. That's when the house-cleaning should've happened. AV should've been fired after the 15-16 season. We're two years late, and sinking further every day.
20-93-36
61-Ship-89
10-13-17
51-24-40
27-22
76-42
18-77
55
Easier said than done? Maybe. But it shouldn't be that hard.
offdacrossbar
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Stupid question, but if Las Vegas voids Ship's contract, does he become a UFA in the NHL? could Gorton be waiting for that contract to be voided so that he can sign him to a 1 year deal or a lower AAV contract? Perhaps, he has offered something if LV holds some of his cap hit back and they have balked.
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We're bottom 3rd in GAA (tied for 6th worst with Florida), which is the area I thought we would struggle. When we've been good, we've been top 5 or at least top 10 in GAA. Whether that's on the goalies, the defense or the team as a whole (most likely), we aren't going to have success until we fix it.
offdacrossbar
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im on board the ship train. he can be a solid 2C but doesnt play a lick of defense and away from the puck he's clueless. he's an instant add of offense. i would offer up something like you suggest.
again, this team isnt starving for offense. they can score. they just cannot defend and they've been going up bad goals at bad times.
It's been broken ever since AV came on. It has just been covered up by a goalie who is going to go down as the top goaltender in Rangers history. But all the warts get exposed as Henke's play has slipped.
He's above 0 in dSv%, so no, that's not a big part of it...
If you are not familiar with dSv% having above 0 in dSv% means your're saving more shots then you are expected to (based off of league average goaltending) given your workload.
My explanation might be iffy, someone correct me if i'm wrong.
silverfish
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I believe so. This happened somewhat recently with the Kings and Richards, right? I remember there being a lot of hoopla about it, but when it was all said and done, and the dust settled, Richards was a FA.
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I had to come into your forum and check out the rumors on Kreider. Has he regressed? I thought he was dominant @ 3 years ago. One fella here said it has to be Leon Draisaitl and something else for Kreider, I can tell ya now, that trade will never happen.
The Oilers and Rangers do have a history of trading with each other. Maybe it is the Sather effect.
If the Oilers offer a 1st and Puju, Sather is crazy not to do that trade. It could be a 1st overall. Both of our teams are greatly under-achieving!
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Are we so sure that Gorts is even interested in Ship? I haven't heard any ties to him.
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And he wants something else along with Draisaitl. The Oilers will NOT be trading Draisaitl. 6'3" 215lbs Centers with great hands, young, top 10 scorer, etc. I like Kreider, great power forward, but he won't get ya Drai and something else. Kreider would not get ya Drai
His name only came up because media pundits mentioned it. Most Rangers fans want to keep him. He's had a slow start but only a handful of reactionary fans are trying to get rid of him.
Most fans have the sense to realize he isn't returning Draisaitl. So try not to get hung up on that. However, most of us agree it would take a very strong offer to pull him away. Puljujarvi is a very good prospect, but you can't trade Kreider while hedging yourself on one unproven asset.
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