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Roster Building Thread - Part XI (Off-season edition)

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kovazub94 said:
You start with advocating a none-sentimental approach to moving Lindgren and in the following paragraph use it as a crotch to suggest that Trouba won’t be moved.
Why do you think Trouba’s contract is structured this way with limited NTC? How sentimental were the Rangers when they moved McD or Callahan in a very recent past? Both Lindgren and Trouba have about the same probability of being moved and if Drury used this season for look / see what happens under a new coach and what has to be done - it’s pretty clear. I also don’t see any evidence from Drury being a sentimental guy. More quite the opposite.
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Okay, so the fact is that trading Trouba makes the Rangers captain-less again like the ~4-5 years prior to bringing Trouba in. Who takes over if he's traded? This team has no leader without Trouba. Zero. Teammates like Kreider, sure and that's great. But another near-fact is that he declined the captaincy for years and there is no one other than him that is even close to deserving it aside from Fox based on his play. Trocheck could be in the running based on his personality, but who knows. Laf is too green still. This team NEEDS some boneheaded neanderthal like Trouba to act as a leader otherwise they are the rudderless ship that was the team before he got here.

I'm sure Lindgren is also a great guy and I'm sure the guys like him - He is the one that gets traded if it's between Trouba and Lindgren. Has nothing to do with sentimentality toward Trouba and everything about this team reverting to a leader-less group. Lavi showed he has no problem reducing Trouba's minutes. Drury now has to make a move to improve the rest of the D and Lindgren is more easily movable and we'd see the biggest upgrade bringing in a legit partner for Fox.

Callahan didn't force his way to NY, and drove himself out of NYR more than anything with his contract AAV demands. Not much to leave to sentimentality when your captain is chasing a check - and that was well within Callahan's right. And good for him since he ran his body into the ground the way he played. Admittedly I don't remember the context surrounding McDonagh's trade, but he also didn't force his way onto NY and it looks just like Gorton was throwing shit at a wall and hoping something stuck - which absolutely nothing did. I think Noah Laba is the only asset left from that trade. With hindsight, not many moves Gorton made were close to good, with the McDonagh+Miller trade very much at the top of that list.
 
RempireStateBuilding said:
Okay, so the fact is that trading Trouba makes the Rangers captain-less again like the ~4-5 years prior to bringing Trouba in. Who takes over if he's traded? This team has no leader without Trouba. Zero. Teammates like Kreider, sure and that's great. But another near-fact is that he declined the captaincy for years and there is no one other than him that is even close to deserving it aside from Fox based on his play. Trocheck could be in the running based on his personality, but who knows. Laf is too green still. This team NEEDS some boneheaded neanderthal like Trouba to act as a leader otherwise they are the rudderless ship that was the team before he got here.

I'm sure Lindgren is also a great guy and I'm sure the guys like him - He is the one that gets traded if it's between Trouba and Lindgren. Has nothing to do with sentimentality toward Trouba and everything about this team reverting to a leader-less group. Lavi showed he has no problem reducing Trouba's minutes. Drury now has to make a move to improve the rest of the D and Lindgren is more easily movable and we'd see the biggest upgrade bringing in a legit partner for Fox.

Callahan didn't force his way to NY, and drove himself out of NYR more than anything with his contract AAV demands. Not much to leave to sentimentality when your captain is chasing a check - and that was well within Callahan's right. And good for him since he ran his body into the ground the way he played. Admittedly I don't remember the context surrounding McDonagh's trade, but he also didn't force his way onto NY and it looks just like Gorton was throwing shit at a wall and hoping something stuck - which absolutely nothing did. I think Noah Laba is the only asset left from that trade. With hindsight, not many moves Gorton made were close to good, with the McDonagh+Miller trade very much at the top of that list.
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Just give it to Fox. It's honestly not that big of a deal.
 
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Machinehead said:
Nobody is giving Brendan Dillion a NTC. They hand them out to top six players and top pair defensemen in their primes.
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Well that just isn't true.

Half the Islanders roster alone has a NTC, and most are not top 6 or top pair dmen.

I guess Goodrow is now a top 6 player in his prime?
 
The Crypto Guy said:
Well that just isn't true.

Half the Islanders roster alone has a NTC, and most are not top 6 or top pair dmen.

I guess Goodrow is now a top 6 player in his prime?
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Only two of those are really questionable and the Islanders are morons. All of the others are their core.

The Goodrow contract was universally panned.

You're taking some of the worst contracts in the league and trying to say it's the norm.
 
Drury should/has to move Trouba. It's possible with the 15 team NTC and a positive reputation around the league. He has been a solid leader and a so-so Captain. There's been more bad than god on the ice. Hes very easily replaceable because Schneider needs and has earned the minutes behind Fox. I guess it would be a cutthroat move by Drury but it seems pretty obvious to me. Gotta be looking at a Detroit team that collapsed down the stretch. They have cap space to take on the contract. Lots of Michigan boys there. Everybody's happy. Ryan Martin came from Detroit organization.
 
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The Crypto Guy said:
Well that's just completely unrealistic to the contract he will sign.


Ok, well I'm sure a team will give him a clause, so I guess we are out of the running for him. Might as well keep our own 4/5 defenseman who is 7 years younger that we don't need to give a clause to.
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I mean that’s not my prediction, it’s AFP who have been pretty good with these things for a few years. He doesn’t score a lot and is 33. I think it’s pretty accurate

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Because teams hand those things out like candy now. Especially for a player that will get a lot of calls on July 1st.
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I’d give him a partial NTC, like 10 teams.
 
The issue I’m having is if they want to upgrade the defense, the upgrades that are available at reasonable prices and terms for what the team needs is on RD. I find it hard to believe that they will move Schneider so it’s Trouba. And I REALLY think he has value. Maybe not top prospect and 1st value but a couple of seconds and a depth forward or d-man I could see. Matt Roy is literally built for what this team needs on that 2nd pairing.

As Roy is a RD, that’s the spot to upgrade right now. One could argue about Lindgren, injuries, overplaying, etc. I don’t see as clear of an upgrade although I like Dillon and Ian Cole is a pretty steady defensive d-man who will likely get another 1 year deal as well but I could see them filling that role with the same TYPE of defenseman. So at least that would fit the unit as a whole.


What are people’s thoughts on Oliver Kylington? He seems like a really good buy-low opportunity. He’s a LD and skates well
 
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NYR Viper said:
The issue I’m having is if they want to upgrade the defense, the upgrades that are available at reasonable prices and terms for what the team needs is on RD. I find it hard to believe that they will move Schneider so it’s Trouba. And I REALLY think he has value. Maybe not top prospect and 1st value but a couple of seconds and a depth forward or d-man I could see. Matt Roy is literally built for what this team needs on that 2nd pairing.

As Roy is a RD, that’s the spot to upgrade right now. One could argue about Lindgren, injuries, overplaying, etc. I don’t see as clear of an upgrade although I like Dillon and Ian Cole is a pretty steady defensive d-man who will likely get another 1 year deal as well but I could see them filling that role with the same TYPE of defenseman. So at least that would fit the unit as a whole.


What are people’s thoughts on Oliver Kylington? He seems like a really good buy-low opportunity. He’s a LD and skates well
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Kylington is my main target for a bottom 4 LD role.
 
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He's got a year left @ $7,875,000, he's 34 years old, he's won 2 cups, he's everything we wish K'andre Miller could be, what do you guys think it would take to get Victor Hedman out of Tampa?
 
AirGut said:
He's got a year left @ $7,875,000, he's 34 years old, he's won 2 cups, he's everything we wish K'andre Miller could be, what do you guys think it would take to get Victor Hedman out of Tampa?
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Too much and he’s not that good anymore. If they’re paying a high price for someone I’d rather Theodore or someone like that.

At the end of the season, someone on here said watch out for the Rangers pursuing Byram. That’s interesting because they have so many LD’s and may need a RD and leadership…
 
Id move both Trouba and Lindgren this offseason for the right deals. I don’t think that’s too much, I think it’s just the right amount of a shake up.

Minus adding Arvidsson leave the forward unit unless the right Kakko offer arrived in the mailbox. I’d bet good money Chytil will be back and good to go by the fall.
 
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Machinehead said:
Only two of those are really questionable and the Islanders are morons. All of the others are their core.

The Goodrow contract was universally panned.

You're taking some of the worst contracts in the league and trying to say it's the norm.
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Edmonton has 7 players with NMC/NTC's and they're in the Final. It's part of the process and, in order to be competitive with teams competing for services, it's part of the bargaining. If you don't offer guys like Panarin NMC's then they aren't going to sign with you.

Also, here we are talking about Goodrow again and that guy certainly showed what the allure of him is this playoffs. As disparaging as it gets about his cap hit, we need more Goodrow's in the post season, not less.
 
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bernmeister said:
The dismissive brush off is not effective b'c I contest it.
What I said, which is independently verified, applies.
bern was right, Lav wrong,
Rempe should have played from earlier in the season and DEF in POs
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You don't contest anything.

You state your opinion then call yourself correct.

So yes, my dismissive brush off is effective.

Dressing him was a waste because he didn't provide enough.

We had 2 injured defenseman and would've been better served dressing a 7th to give them a rest and have a good puck moving dman in there to combat FLA's forecheck.

Bern wrong yet again
 
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AirGut said:
He's got a year left @ $7,875,000, he's 34 years old, he's won 2 cups, he's everything we wish K'andre Miller could be, what do you guys think it would take to get Victor Hedman out of Tampa?
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Hedman is one of the worst defenders in the league at this point.
 
haohmaru said:
Edmonton has 7 players with NMC/NTC's and they're in the Final. It's part of the process and, in order to be competitive with teams competing for services, it's part of the bargaining. If you don't offer guys like Panarin NMC's then they aren't going to sign with you.

Also, here we are talking about Goodrow again and that guy certainly showed what the allure of him is this playoffs. As disparaging as it gets about his cap hit, we need more Goodrow's in the post season, not less.
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7-9 is the going rate and it tends to be your top six and your two best defensemen.

Nobody is giving Brendan Dillon a NTC.
 
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