Roster Building Thread - Part XI (Off-season edition)

[irishlaxburger2]

Everyone gets caved by barkov!

And trocheck isn t my preference or anything, just the way it is. I would love to see some other path forward but it's damned hard to do that.

Well yeah, when you get this far in the playoffs you’re going to have to beat the elite 1Cs. We don’t have one. Getting one is incredibly difficult because there’s like 5 or 6 in the whole league. And they’re all incredibly expensive.

But unless you have one, you don’t stand a chance.

That’s the incredibly sad predicament we’re in. We don’t have one. And we can’t get one. And we’ll have a conference finals ceiling on this organization until we get one.

 

[DialUp]

Well yeah, when you get this far in the playoffs you’re going to have to beat the elite 1Cs. We don’t have one. Getting one is incredibly difficult because there’s like 5 or 6 in the whole league. And they’re all incredibly expensive.

But unless you have one, you don’t stand a chance.

That’s the incredibly sad predicament we’re in. We don’t have one. And we can’t get one. And we’ll have a conference finals ceiling on this organization until we get one.

I suppose the question here is, would Florida have won the series without barkov? Their defense overall was very good. Team defense. Tough tough team to beat. Let's go oilers

 

[majordomo]

100% agree with these takes. Cap cost and contribution between 1LD and whatever Trouba is now has to be re-adjusted (retain $1.5m on Trouba if necessary). Kakko is a change of scenery move that could still fetch a lot and need to capitalize on Goodrow’s heroics.

Again, I will stand on the assertion that with healthy Fox and nothing else the Rangers would be moving on.

Internally, Berard and Othmann will rotate for one spot in top-9, and so will Rempe with Edstrom on the 4th line.

I think you'll have to retain the full 50% to move Trouba. If that's the case, I'd just as soon buy him out rather than take on a bad contract.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

That deal would certainly cost us Miller in '25, and put us in awful shape if LaF goes the next step in 2024 and is now offer sheet material.

We have 11.3 mil in cap without the RFAs.

Any Trouba deal we make will either make us take back a bad contract in similar AAV, or retaining to make up a difference.

Any major deal like that, and we are gambling someone we need isn't coming back after next year.

If we give anyone 5 mil aav in FA, it's on a 1year deal.

This. A panic signing of Roy is silly and non sensical. Thankfully it wont happen

 

[irishlaxburger2]

I suppose the question here is, would Florida have won the series without barkov? Their defense overall was very good. Team defense. Tough tough team to beat. Let's go oilers

If you trade Mika and Barkov in this series, I think we absolutely win it. Maybe in 7 instead of 6, but I do think that’s the difference.

But finding a way to rid ourselves of Mika, who has an albatross contract and a NMC, and finding a Barkov without giving up much are both unrealistic expectations. Jesus only performed miracles so often. We need 2 in an offseason.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

For Brady Tkachuk? You people are insane.

I agree but it takes 2 to tango. The sens have zero motivation to grade brady so it would take an overpayment.

I actually think Cuylle can eventually become somewhat similar to poor mans brady. I can see cuylle developing into a 30/30 type power forward. His D+4 season was impressive given that he really only played 5v5. For reference, krediers d+4 he scored 12 goals playing mostly in hartford, cuylle scored 13 playing limited minutes in the nhl while being a hitting machine

 

[DialUp]

If you trade Mika and Barkov in this series, I think we absolutely win it. Maybe in 7 instead of 6, but I do think that’s the difference.

But finding a way to rid ourselves of Mika, who has an albatross contract and a NMC, and finding a Barkov without giving up much are both unrealistic expectations. Jesus only performed miracles so often. We need 2 in an offseason.

I absolutely agree with all that.

The future is very uncertain. You never know though, possible a win would have been squeaked out if we had better puck moving defense. You don't want to count on that being enough but that may be the only realistic major improvement we even could do

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Oh and also, we should be the favorite to win the metro again next year and cruise to the ECF. Carolina will look totally different and the devs arent built for playoff hockey

 

[kovazub94]

I think you'll have to retain the full 50% to move Trouba. If that's the case, I'd just as soon buy him out rather than take on a bad contract.

Disagree about 50% and not going to debate opinion. Trouba at $6.5m on a short deal with finally rising cap is not going to be a show stopper from the perspective of a many potential trade partners to be.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Also, getting back to cuylle, when kreider is eventually moved, I can see him being the net front guy on the PP. and if we can sign draisaitl in July 2025 I can see cuylle filling that 1st line LW spot

 

[irishlaxburger2]

The good news in all of this - I actually think it’s pretty realistic to both improve this D corp considerably this offseason and save money while doing it.

 

[majordomo]

Disagree about 50% and not going to debate opinion. Trouba at $6.5m on a short deal with finally rising cap is not going to be a show stopper from the perspective of a many potential trade partners to be.

I see your point, but there are so many teams near cap ceiling and a limited number of trade partners -- that's why I think 50% retention.

 

[Rangers in 7]

Ya want Brady? I do.

Be prepared to start with Laf.

Brady can be had for less then laf

 

[UnSandvich]

What would we have to add to Zib to get Phil Danault? A 2nd? More?

 

[majordomo]

Also, getting back to cuylle, when kreider is eventually moved, I can see him being the net front guy on the PP. and if we can sign draisaitl in July 2025 I can see cuylle filling that 1st line LW spot

Do you honestly believe they will move Kreider at this point in his career?

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Laff is better than brady. Imo a trade for brady isnt realistic because if ottawa moves him it means theyre rebuilding and therefore theyd want young guys to grow with them. The best we could probably offer is

Kandre
Cuylle
Perreault
Othmann
2024 1st
2025 1st

And thats not getting it done

Holy freaking overpay. Who are we trading for McDavid?

 

[DialUp]

Do you honestly believe they will move Kreider at this point in his career?

Right? Rangers are at the point where they trade FOR a proven vet not get rid of them to a contender

 

[RangerBoy]

The Rangers need a top 6 winger to play with Zibanejad and Kreider. Someone who can produce at even strength. Hopefully add some size to the top 6. Biggest need on the team. Stop the revolving door. No reunions.

Need to find a new home for Kakko. He isn't happy with his role. Hopefully, Drury can find good value in the deal. Colorado traded Newhook to Montreal for picks #31 and #37 and traded #37 to TB for Colton. Newhook has more value on Kakko?????? Stop.

Need to get bigger and tougher to play against.

Build around Fox, Miller and Schneider on D. Miller had his bad moments in the Florida series. Lindgren is up for a new deal. He isn't a big D. He competes hard but the size isn't there. Trade? Another D to play with Fox. Trouba's NMC expires in July. Arthur Staple wrote there is a market for Trouba if the Rangers are interesting in retaining some of the $8M. Trouba never seemed to be his usual physical self after suffering the lower body injury in late February/early March. Jones played well when Trouba was out but Jones is another small D. Play Jones and then trade him next deadline. Play Jones in the regular season. Give him some run and increase his value. Gustafsson. See ya. He stinks.

Goodrow had a good playoff. Trade him. The $3.6M can be used for a player who plays higher up in the lineup. People said see the Rangers are justified in giving Goodrow that contract based on his playoff performance. The Rangers fell short again. It's hard to win with a nearly $4M fourth line guy.

Trade pick #30 for a established NHL player who will be here for the next 3-4 years.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I'm all in on a Chychrun+Roy offseason.

They'll probably add someone like Arvidsson up front and call it a day there. He'll get to play the role of this year's revolving door RW for the bromance (because I doubt they get broken up.)

Do you honestly believe they will move Kreider at this point in his career?

Yeah I'm not following the logic either.

He didn't have a good series after going legendary but hes also far from being a problem. Even at his most infuriating he's good for 35+ goals during the RS at a 6.5 million dollar cap hit before getting to the playoffs where he's pretty much always a lock to continue scoring goals.

Thats a bargain.

 

[bigdog16]

Laff is better than brady. Imo a trade for brady isnt realistic because if ottawa moves him it means theyre rebuilding and therefore theyd want young guys to grow with them. The best we could probably offer is

Kandre
Cuylle
Perreault
Othmann
2024 1st
2025 1st

And thats not getting it done

Lol what? For Brady Tkachuk???

 

[irishlaxburger2]

For as much as I loved Goodrow’s heroics this playoffs, the fact that we got them and it still wasn’t enough just goes to show those dollars are better used elsewhere. And there’s a zero percent chance he has that type of playoff again for the Rangers.

 

[SRHRangers]

Krieder, Zib, Bread, Tro, Fox are not being moved.

Just stop any other talk about it now please. NMC in place, and Fox is a top 3 DMan in the league when healthy.

Trouba, unless a team is flat out moronic, just put him on 3RD and limit his minutes to 16-17 a game. We would prolly cause more harm than good trying to move his deal this off-season.

Lindgren, goodbye.

Kakko- needs a change of scenery. Take the best draft pick offered and don't take on a reclamation project.

Have 2 of the kids audition for Roslovic and Kakko s spots. ELC is our best friend right now.

Everything in UFA should be a 1 yr deal.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Lol what? For Brady Tkachuk???

Yeah thats crack head stuff.

He isn't Matt.

 

[majordomo]

The Rangers need a top 6 winger to play with Zibanejad and Kreider. Someone who can produce at even strength. Hopefully add some size to the top 6. Biggest need on the team. Stop the revolving door. No reunions.

Need to find a new home for Kakko. He isn't happy with his role. Hopefully, Drury can find good value in the deal. Colorado traded Newhook to Montreal for picks #31 and #37 and traded #37 to TB for Colton. Newhook has more value on Kakko?????? Stop.

Need to get bigger and tougher to play against.

Build around Fox, Miller and Schneider on D. Miller had his bad moments in the Florida series. Lindgren is up for a new deal. He isn't a big D. He competes hard but the size isn't there. Trade? Another D to play with Fox. Trouba's NMC expires in July. Arthur Staple wrote there is a market for Trouba if the Rangers are interesting in retaining some of the $8M. Trouba never seemed to be his usual physical self after suffering the lower body injury in late February/early March. Jones played well when Trouba was out but Jones is another small D. Play Jones and then trade him next deadline. Play Jones in the regular season. Give him some run and increase his value. Gustafsson. See ya. He stinks.

Goodrow had a good playoff. Trade him. The $3.6M can be used for a player who plays higher up in the lineup. People said see the Rangers are justified in giving Goodrow that contract based on his playoff performance. The Rangers fell short again. It's hard to win with a nearly $4M fourth line guy.

Trade pick #30 for a established NHL player who will be here for the next 3-4 years.

Rangers need to give up the "find someone to play with Zib and Kreider" nonsense and just put them on separate lines.

 

[bigdog16]

Its probably already been mentioned but Carp brought up a good point on twitter. We really should have done whatever it took to grab Guentzel at the deadline. Instead we have Wennberg and other bottom 6 players being inserted on our top line in the ECF