Roster Building Thread - Part XI (Off-season edition)

[DialUp]

Upgrades needed: 2nd line center, Mika to the 3rd.

2nd line RW

3rd line wing

All defense but Fox and Schneider

....

Welp. Ain't happening next year that's for sure.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Not even a little bit. He's an excellent defender and if you want to try to win next year, we need to replace at least 2 of them.

You know who can fill the bottom pair for 2m or under? Schneider.

ill play along. Whats Roy gonna fetch term and aav wise. I think after you logically look at that youll realize why this is a silly convo

This isn't prime Gretzky we are trading for.That is an asinine overpayment.

The crazy part? Sens fans would tell you that wont get it done haha.

Hes beloved in Ottawa. Itll take a massive haul to get ottawa to move him.

What do you think is a REALISTIC offer the sens would take

 

[pld459666]

I think lindgren to Van makes a ton of sense. They’re potentially losing a lot of D to ufa. They might feel lindgren is use to playing with Fox so maybe he can transition to playing with Hughes. No idea what the return could but maybe Garland for lindgren?

Hughes and Lindgren play LD

ill play along. Whats Roy gonna fetch term and aav wise. I think after you logically look at that youll realize why this is a silly convo


The crazy part? Sens fans would tell you that wont get it done haha.

Hes beloved in Ottawa. Itll take a massive haul to get ottawa FANS to move him.

What do you think is a REALISTIC offer the sens FANS would take

The offer is insanely slanted towards Ottawa.

What their fans think is irrelevant

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Unrestricted Free Agents:

Alexander Wennberg
Jack Roslovic
Erik Gustafsson
Chad Ruhwedel
Blake Wheeler

None of these players are worth bringing back, except maybe Ruhwedel on a cheap contract for the third pair. However, we didn't see enough of him this year to make a definitive judgment.


Restricted Free Agents:
Kaapo Kakko
Ryan Lindgren
Braden Schneider


Kakko is the biggest decision. What will he ask for? Despite many appreciating him as a solid defensive forward, he might be better served on another team. I think the Rangers will trade him.

Lindgren is incredibly tough, a true warrior in the mold of Dan Girardi. However, he's always hurt, has slow foot speed, and contributes little offensively. I'd bring him back for two years, but he likely wants a long-term deal. Drury should be cautious not to overpay, learning from the Girardi and Staal extensions.

Schneider is a must re-sign. He's young and still has room for improvement.


Team Needs:
Despite being a President's Cup team, we have several holes to fill. If we keep our main core in the top-6, we desperately need a legitimate top-6 right winger. Look at the revolving door at RW: Roslovic, Chytil, Wennberg, Wheeler, Vesey, Goodrow... We need a long-term solution.

Additionally, if we move on from Zibanejad, we'll need a top-6 center.

And we need a PMD. With a gimpy Fox, we had no one to move the puck of the zone for long stretch-passes and it was a HUGE problem. I'm hoping we give Zac Jones a real look despite his size.

Ironically, my top free agent target is left defenseman Brady Skjei. He would be an excellent replacement for Lindgren, given his great skating, offensive contributions, and ability to handle top-4 minutes.


I think the core will remain intact, with Mika Zibanejad, Chris Kreider, Artemi Panarin, and Jacob Trouba staying. Their contracts may be too difficult to move. Kreider, I guess will stay. Panarin will stay because of his contract, but I think it's safe to say that he cannot be counted on come playoff time.

The two biggest decisions are Mika and Trouba and of the two, I believe Captain Jacob Trouba needs to be off this team.


Rob Luker
@RLuker12
Since being acquired by #NYR in 2019, Jacob Trouba's on & off ice goal results at 5v5, regular season & playoffs.

On Ice: 268 GF, 289 GA (48.1%)
Off Ice: 580 GF, 506 GA (53.4%)


8M per for a boneheaded, cheapshot captain, who is a penalty-making machine and is a poor skater, puck-handler, and decision-maker. He needs to go. We'll need to replace his physicality on the blueline for sure, but Trouba should be considered addition by subtraction.


If possible, I'd look to trade Mika in a deal similar to how he was acquired in the first place, i.e. for a young center. The names that come immediately to mind are Shane Wright, Elias Pettersson, Marco Rossi, and Trevor Zegras. IDK if it's possible and Zibanejad has a full NMC. We may be stuck here.



My rough projected lineup:


Kreider - Zibanejad - ?
Panarin - Trocheck - Laf
Cuylle - Chytil (assuming he's in full health)- Othmann
Vesey - Goodrow - Rempe
Berard-Brodzinski-Edstrom



Skjei - Fox
K'Andre - Schneider
Zac Jones - ?
?
?


Igor
Quick

 

[irishlaxburger2]

Upgrades needed: 2nd line center, Mika to the 3rd.

2nd line RW

3rd line wing

All defense but Fox and Schneider

....

Welp. Ain't happening next year that's for sure.

Where are you getting a 1C to fit under the cap that allows Mika’s contract to remain on the roster?

And why do you want an $8.5m 3C?

You need a legitimate 1C. Unfortunately, step 1 in acquiring one absolutely needs to be ridding the team of the contract currently slated for one.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

ill play along. Whats Roy gonna fetch term and aav wise. I think after you logically look at that youll realize why this is a silly convo

5x5

Would gladly pay it. I Have no problem paying good players.

Also Sens fans don’t run the team or live in the realm of reality.

 

[DialUp]

Where are you getting a 1C to fit under the cap that allows Mika’s contract to remain on the roster?

And why do you want an $8.5m 3C?

You need a legitimate 1C. Unfortunately, step 1 in acquiring one absolutely needs to be ridding the team of the contract currently slated for one.

Trocheck is the 1c

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Hughes and Lindgren play LD



The offer is insanely slanted towards Ottawa.

What their fans think is irrelevant

Okay, so tell me what you think their gm would actually take if they were to move their 24 year old superstar captain

 

[DanielBrassard]

There’s really nothing they can do to change the complexion of the team unless they can somehow move Zibanejads contract and replace him with a real #1 center. The odds of that happening are slim to none, so even if you improve around him it’s hard to envision this team winning anything. Too many players who are incapable of playing the game the way it needs to be played to generate offense in this league at 5v5.

Obviously the breakouts are terrible and Trouba and Lindgren need to go as well, but the Rangers forward core and their scheme in the offensive zone is garbage as well. There has to be an emphasis on cycling the puck with a purpose, and attacking.

Trocheck is the 1c

Oh brother. I like Trocheck but if that’s the case then might as well start the rebuild right now.

 

[lakeshirts37]

It depends if he puts Utah as one of his teams on the no trade list. You know every Canadian team in on there, so that's 7 of the 15.

good point. My guess is his list is:

Montreal
Ottawa
Toronto
Winnipeg
Calgary
Edmonton
Vancouver
Utah
Columbus
Buffalo
San Jose
St. Louis
New York
New Jersey
Carolina

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

5x5

Would gladly pay it. I Have no problem paying good players.

Also Sens fans don’t run the team or live in the realm of reality.

Fyi AFP has their projections out and theyre usually pretty dead on. They have him at 5 X $5.8. I’m not paying that for what will be a bottom pair dman. Schneider is a very 2nd pair dman and hes only gonna get better while Roy will only get worse from here. Father time

 

[DialUp]

Oh brother. I like Trocheck but if that’s the case then might as well start the rebuild right now.

No real other choice. Trading zib does not guarantee a better center coming back. Just not happening. I don't think even Fox will bring back a 1C. My opinion. Right now Trocheck is the 1C anyway.

Never said I liked it. Just commenting on reality

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

good point. My guess is his list is:

Montreal
Ottawa
Toronto
Winnipeg
Calgary
Edmonton
Vancouver
Utah
Columbus
Buffalo
San Jose
St. Louis
New York
New Jersey
Carolina

He wont bother putting new york, NJ, carolina, philly, washington on there because he knows the teams will never do a deal. Therefore it effectively becomes a 20 team no trade list. The only teams he’ll leave off it are teams he and his agent know cant afford his cap hit

 

[lakeshirts37]

if you sign guentzel bertuzzi and roy, you're losing laf or shesterkin, and miller or schneider.

but yeah that would be a sick lineup for a year

No youre not - all our big $ contracts would have one year left and would be very moveable. Those three guys would be 19-20m

He wont bother putting new york, NJ, carolina, philly, washington on there because he knows the teams will never do a deal. Therefore it effectively becomes a 20 team no trade list. The only teams he’ll leave off it are teams he and his agent know cant afford his cap hit

True. This is fun - Id love to see his list and the thought process

 

[SRHRangers]

5x5

Would gladly pay it. I Have no problem paying good players.

Also Sens fans don’t run the team or live in the realm of reality.

That deal would certainly cost us Miller in '25, and put us in awful shape if LaF goes the next step in 2024 and is now offer sheet material.

We have 11.3 mil in cap without the RFAs.

Any Trouba deal we make will either make us take back a bad contract in similar AAV, or retaining to make up a difference.

Any major deal like that, and we are gambling someone we need isn't coming back after next year.

If we give anyone 5 mil aav in FA, it's on a 1year deal.

 

[kovazub94]

I don't think moving one of Panarin/Zib is realistic this offseason.

But Trouba costs 8 million and spent our most crucial games on the third pairing, and arguably playing below replacement level. He's an obvious scapegoat, trade candidate, and I've been talking about moving him in summer 2024 for 3 years now. He'd still fetch a pretty handsome return.

My shopping list is as follows

Out-

a) Trade Trouba
b) Look to trade Lindgren
c) Release Wennberg & Roslovic
d) Look to trade Kakko. If Bennett got a 2nd+ we can too.

In-

a) Speed at wing. We need to replace Roslovic and Kakko with guys who can really stretch the ice surface. Benoit Pouliot or Chimera types. I'll do some looking around the league when I;m bored.

b) A moden 21st century blue-line with two new guys who can pass the puck

This means retaining Jones with an eye on his being full time next season. Offer a lowball to Gustafsson (2x2) with an eye towards being the #7 when everyone is rolling.

There are a lot of guys who might not make it to UFA, but who could, who would be interesting Lindgren/Trouba replacements. Skjei, Montour, even Gostisbehere.

I'd offer up more candidates for trade but I think the ones I've listed already constitute an extremely active offseason not unlike what Florida tried with Huberdeau/Tkachuk 2 years ago.

Despite Mika's problems, and Panarin's poor playoffs, if you are creative enough with the cap you can still construct a contending NYR roster with them as complementary top 6 players, rather than the go-to guys. I'd spend money fixing the defense. Forward we might need a salary-retaining MSL type deal to give us another major weapon up front.

100% agree with these takes. Cap cost and contribution between 1LD and whatever Trouba is now has to be re-adjusted (retain $1.5m on Trouba if necessary). Kakko is a change of scenery move that could still fetch a lot and need to capitalize on Goodrow’s heroics.

Again, I will stand on the assertion that with healthy Fox and nothing else the Rangers would be moving on.

Internally, Berard and Othmann will rotate for one spot in top-9, and so will Rempe with Edstrom on the 4th line.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Fyi AFP has their projections out and theyre usually pretty dead on. They have him at 5 X $5.8. I’m not paying that for what will be a bottom pair dman. Schneider is a very 2nd pair dman and hes only gonna get better while Roy will only get worse from here. Father time

Most of their projections run high IIRC.

For instance, there’s no way Montour is getting 7.7x6.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I really don’t think it would be that difficult to trade Trouba. Might have to take back a contract like Holl/Maata/Petry from Detroit, or Lauzon/Glass/Schenn from Nashville for instance, but I could easily see that happening.

Just a matter of whether the rangers want to trade him.

 

[kovazub94]

This isn't prime Gretzky we are trading for.That is an asinine overpayment.

Yeah, whole bunch of asinine takes already. My ignore list is going to eat well this offseason.

 

[kovazub94]

Amazed to see how so many relying on FC to be a 2nd or 3rd line center next season. To me he is a huge question mark. At this stage he may be a shell of what he was and one hit away from retirement. Sad story but you cannot go into next season thinking all is well on this front.

Wennberg is not going to get same contract as in the past. He’d be someone I’d keep as 4c and insurance for Chytil over Goodrow.

 

[DialUp]

Imo, if theres talk all summer long of Brady or zegras that might be the best thing for me as i would be touching way more grass than usual

 

[irishlaxburger2]

Trocheck is the 1c

He doesn’t get paid or used like it.

But for the sake of your argument, fine. He also got caved 5v5 vs Barkov in this series. He’s not a good enough 1C to win a Cup.

Again, we have a 1C problem. And it’s not the awesome 2C who shouldn’t get hit with ridiculous expectations above what he is as a player. It’s the guy who’s being paid as a 1C that isn’t one.

 

[Synergy27]

Laff is better than brady. Imo a trade for brady isnt realistic because if ottawa moves him it means theyre rebuilding and therefore theyd want young guys to grow with them. The best we could probably offer is

Kandre
Cuylle
Perreault
Othmann
2024 1st
2025 1st

And thats not getting it done

For Brady Tkachuk? You people are insane.

 

[mrmovies779]

Wennberg is not going to get same contract as in the past. He’d be someone I’d keep as 4c and insurance for Chytil over Goodrow.

Agreed.If able to move Goodrow,Wennberg would be a reasonably cheap replacement and pk'er

 

[DialUp]

He doesn’t get paid or used like it.

But for the sake of your argument, fine. He also got caved 5v5 vs Barkov in this series. He’s not a good enough 1C to win a Cup.

Again, we have a 1C problem. And it’s not the awesome 2C who shouldn’t get hit with ridiculous expectations above what he is as a player. It’s the guy who’s being paid as a 1C that isn’t one.

Everyone gets caved by barkov!

And trocheck isn t my preference or anything, just the way it is. I would love to see some other path forward but it's damned hard to do that.