Roster Building Thread - Part XI (Off-season edition)

[Siddi]

Maybe he wants out of the spotlight? Maybe he wants to play with his old pal Buch. STL suburbs are very nice, maybe he wants to move his family somewhere with a slower pace? I dont know! Just spitballing here. All I said was it wouldnt shock me if Mika signed off on a trade to STL.

Also, STL is not a bottom dweller. They are a competitive team.

Wont happen.

 

[duhmetreE]

Panarin Tro Laffy
Tkachuk Zibs Kreider
Cuylle Chytil Berard
Vesey Edstrom Rempe

KAM Fox
Zadorov Roy
Jones Schneider

 

[Atax]

Panarin Tro Laffy
Tkachuk Zibs Kreider
Cuylle Chytil Berard
Vesey Edstrom Rempe

KAM Fox
Zadorov Roy
Jones Schneider

Problem is counting on Chytil to be in the lineup

 

[McRanger92]

Would Mr. and Dr. Trouba be OK with heading to the West Coast? I feel like the Kings are a team that could have interest. They've got zippo on right defense behind Doughty, and have been spinning their wheels for awhile now. Might want a shakeup in the locker room. They need to sign Byfield but maybe something around Trouba for Gavrikov?

 

[bleedblue94]

The last 3 seasons of time on the ice, begging a coach to see it.

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and usually late in games when the team is chasing a goal to tie things up.

 

[SA16]

Problem is counting on Chytil to be in the lineup

They don't have a choice

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

We treated Trocheck like the 1C all year, and then against Florida, we hard-matched Zibanejad against Barkov.

It's time to hand Trocheck the keys. We could have a sperate discussion on whether or not we can win him in that spot, but that's neither here nor there. He's our best center today and should be in that spot. In his defense, he played Barkov basically even in the minutes they shared.

Granted, neither team actually scored a goal when Zibanejad and Barkov shared the ice, so some might argue it's all just piss in the wind. I don't agree with that. I think, in a playoff series, there's something to be said for the flow of the game, and building momentum/mounting a forecheck shift by shift.

Those shifts were spent almost entirely in our zone and really torpedoed offensive flow, even if Barkov didn't do much on the scoreboard 5v5.

(This entire post is 5v5 BTW)

It’s interesting you say this and want to run Kakko out of town. Cullye-Wennberg-Kakko was the exact opposite of this (in a good way), wasnt it?

 

[Machinehead]

It’s interesting you say this and want to run Kakko out of town. Cullye-Wennberg-Kakko was the exact opposite of this (in a good way), wasnt it?

It's more than just having the puck. Part of building momentum is getting chances and generally just being a threat that you might score a goal.

I'm all for driving play but we've been waiting five years now for Kakko to score. Or any of his linemates to score.

Kakko's play-driving is also super overrated. I hate to throw the word "cope" at people but a lot of folks build him up to be Jesper Fast because he doesn't do anything. In reality, he was garbage at driving play most of this year and his career has been a mixed bag in that regard.

Guys who produced mixed results aren't play-drivers. They're just going with the current of the randomness around them.

 

[bobbop]

If you were rank them, which players on this current roster do you feel are most likely not to be back?

1. Kakko
2. Trouba
3. Wheeler
4. Lindgren

 

[JimmyG89]

1. Kakko
2. Trouba
3. Wheeler
4. Lindgren

Considering Wheeler might retire, this is good news on all fronts.

 

[LOFIN]

Granted, neither team actually scored a goal when Zibanejad and Barkov shared the ice, so some might argue it's all just piss in the wind. I don't agree with that. I think, in a playoff series, there's something to be said for the flow of the game, and building momentum/mounting a forecheck shift by shift.

Absolutely ironic when you weren't having any of that with the third line (when it was still Cuylle-Wennberg-Kakko) but are giving an absolute hall pass to Kreider/Zibanejad for the same thing.

 

[Machinehead]

Absolutely ironic when you weren't having any of that with the third line (when it was still Cuylle-Wennberg-Kakko) but are giving an absolute hall pass to Kreider/Zibanejad for the same thing.

Who's giving anybody a hall pass? I just said in the post you quoted that the line needs to play a lot better despite the goal totals.

Kakko needs to contribute to goals, or at the very least, not tank them.

A good team needs to be able to both control the flow of the game and capitalize with goals. That's obvious.

We're comparing our sort of de facto #1 center with a 3rd line RW and people are literally like "but you said different things about them!"

They're different players with different problems.

 

[Synergy27]

So when does Trouba’s NMC become a limited NTC? Is it at the same time UFA starts?

If they plan to move him, you have to think that he’ll be approached ahead of time so that they can be fully involved with FA from the start right?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I feel like we're running it back and filling in the guys who were added or contracts have run out, ie Gustafson, Roslovic, Wennberg etc. Not saying that's what I'd do but I feel that's what's gonna happen.

 

[MrAlmost]

If there is truth to Cirelli on the block, package Chytil and Kakko for him. Probably wouldn't even need to add any picks.

 

[IDvsEGO]

If there is truth to Cirelli on the block, package Chytil and Kakko for him. Probably wouldn't even need to add any picks.

Considering I think chytil on his own is a better player with higher upside, and cheaper.
Why would we do that?

 

[majordomo]

So when does Trouba’s NMC become a limited NTC? Is it at the same time UFA starts?

If they plan to move him, you have to think that he’ll be approached ahead of time so that they can be fully involved with FA from the start right?

I would venture to guess July 1.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Considering I think chytil on his own is a better player with higher upside, and cheaper.
Why would we do that?

Cirelli is one of the best shutdown centers in the league, literally Barkov-lite. In no way is Chytil better let alone with the concussion worries now

 

[Hunter Gathers]

It's more than just having the puck. Part of building momentum is getting chances and generally just being a threat that you might score a goal.

I'm all for driving play but we've been waiting five years now for Kakko to score. Or any of his linemates to score.

Kakko's play-driving is also super overrated. I hate to throw the word "cope" at people but a lot of folks build him up to be Jesper Fast because he doesn't do anything. In reality, he was garbage at driving play most of this year and his career has been a mixed bag in that regard.

Guys who produced mixed results aren't play-drivers. They're just going with the current of the randomness around them.

Everyone else who believes this should be more vocal about it. I sometimes feel like it's just me and a couple of others who must be suffering from some insane fever dream where Kakko sucks to us but does a bunch of good shit (that his supporters can never, ever specifically refer to).

 

[NikC]

no them being a worse team cost them the series. happy to help!

Thx!!

 

[haohmaru]

Who's giving anybody a hall pass? I just said in the post you quoted that the line needs to play a lot better despite the goal totals.

Kakko needs to contribute to goals, or at the very least, not tank them.

A good team needs to be able to both control the flow of the game and capitalize with goals. That's obvious.

We're comparing our sort of de facto #1 center with a 3rd line RW and people are literally like "but you said different things about them!"

They're different players with different problems.

Can we removed the "2OA" next to Kakko's name and view him as a solid 3rd line guy? He shouldn't get much of a raise and, at 2.whateverM/year he's perfectly serviceable there. Maybe he takes that next step, maybe he doesn't. We're not getting shit for him this summer.

 

[kovazub94]

Considering Wheeler might retire, this is good news on all fronts.

Easy offseason

 

[kovazub94]

Who's giving anybody a hall pass? I just said in the post you quoted that the line needs to play a lot better despite the goal totals.

Kakko needs to contribute to goals, or at the very least, not tank them.

A good team needs to be able to both control the flow of the game and capitalize with goals. That's obvious.

We're comparing our sort of de facto #1 center with a 3rd line RW and people are literally like "but you said different things about them!"

They're different players with different problems.

Yup. It’s either or but not both. In these circumstances I accept Zibanejad line contribution in just neutralizing Barkov line at ES.

 

[Machinehead]

Can we removed the "2OA" next to Kakko's name and view him as a solid 3rd line guy? He shouldn't get much of a raise and, at 2.whateverM/year he's perfectly serviceable there. Maybe he takes that next step, maybe he doesn't. We're not getting shit for him this summer.

I would view him as a solid 3rd line guy if I had more faith in him scoring than the popcorn guy.

 

[haohmaru]

I would view him as a solid 3rd line guy if I had more faith in him scoring than the popcorn guy.

Everyone waxed poetic about Jesper Fast and his career high for goals in a season is four less than Kakko’s best. How many goals should your third line guy get?