Roster Building Thread - Part XI (Off-season edition)

[mas0764]

Feels like that elusive 1C would either be a player who BECOMES the 1C rather than we trade for a built in one. The defense can be fixed, focus on that. its realistic

Hencr why I said it was way easier to do it by drafting high longer. Yeah, harder now to trade for one. But the time for drafting one is past. You’d need a similar generational stroke of luck to find one in the late twenties or thirties.

 

[Tob]

All players should be locked in a room with me between games to show their commitment to winning. UGHN! UGH! UGHHNNNnnnnnnnhHnhhh!!

 

[huerter]

Continuing to draft high for longer was the smart move.

They have to fix the 1C issue. Knowing that is independent of knowing which team they can get to say yes in a trade. They have to be actively making those calls.


It’s not. I just named three that did it in a decade.

Our worst finish was 6th from the bottom. We didn’t actually do the draft high thing so it’s weird to suggest we should have continued the draft high thing.

 

[lakeshirts37]

Yes I am moving him.

Also, trading Kreider is idiotic. Just move him away from Zibanejad. He plays well with Chytil.

I’m still in favor of signing Perron, Roy, Dillon and Blueger.

Move Trouba, Lindgren and Goodrow. Ample cap space

Love the sound of that, but you just know Drury is going to run back mostly the same lineup. I think theyll move Goodrow, but as much as id love to send Lindgren to the moon id be stunned if the defense isnt the below.


Panarin - Trocheck - Lafreniere
Cuylle - Zibanejad - Perron
Kreider - Chytil - Kakko
Vesey - Brodz - Rempe/UFA

Lindgren - Fox
Miller - Schneider
Jones - Trouba

 

[Tob]

This franchise has never departed from not trading a player like Lindgren in this situation. They do not leave stones not unturned. They will slide down the shortest and flattest waterslide and hangout by the pool side drinking wine with their gfs afterward. For once I just want a management that's trying to look for robust solutions instead of running it back. First trade in any trade I'd think would have to be one of #8 or #55 before the draft, Romanov style. That's the first deadline to see if Drury isn't going to want to simply default to being not too uncomfortable with not trying to run it back with the same team.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

all these stories about "X team' partying and winning cups, etc. ... great.

Those teams had star players who knew where to find their game the next day...

This group looks like they're looking for lost luggage nearly every other game for long stretches these last 3 seasons/off seasons.

When they went up 2-0, and lost 4 straight to NJ... with arguably a better lineup than this year...

and yes, Florida was better... i get it.

But they played like @SS, at what they were suppossed to be good at.. special teams, they $hit the bed.

They did not lose 4 straight and they did not have a better roster. 2024 Lafreniere and Trocheck >>>>>>>> Cooked Tarasenko and Kane.

 

[LeetchisGod]

Running it back with this same group is a bad idea. This is one of the most lopsided six game series that I've seen. We were more competitive against Tampa in 2022. We actually outplayed them in a couple of games. The Panthers not so much.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

i just don't think we're going to win by merely adding a domi. The downside of adding Domi's and Rempe's to your lineup is -- it ratchets up the physicality of the games you're in. And when that happens, those top guys need to withstand said physicality. There's a big price you pay when your team becomes the aggressor. The top players become targets and will need to withstand heightened battle level. I worry that Panarin, Mika and Fox are just not the right mix to get us those last 6-8 wins in the poststeason. We need Laffy to become one of those guys. And we need one more core piece to be that big bodied beast. To me, Domi is a fix around the edges and isn't a bad addition to a roster. But remember, he's been added to a whole host of teams in the last 3-4 years who were trying to solve this exact issue and it hasn't worked because this is a core issue not a complimentary issue.

I aint buying this line of thinking. Florida is the scummiest team in hockey and has been to back to back cups. Tampa was probably the toughest team in hockey during their runs. Boston’s sustained successful was because they would basically break your face at any given moment and its not like bergeron, krejci and senguin were tough guys.

 

[bobbop]

so you advocate spending $10m on ONE position? AGAIN?

you've been watching this team for quite a while now.. how did that work out with Lundqvist who was more elite that Igor?

This will be the stupidest move this organization can make, and i'm quite sure the Jack@$$ owner will do it... along with signing Lindgren for 5.5m.

they will win nothing. and deservingly so. all this org. wants to do is catch lighting in a bottle.

Yes I am.

Igor is the best goalie of this generation. He seems to be getting even better as he ages (and he is not old)

1 team wins the Stanley Cup. I want to win as much as anyone but I also want to enjoy the entire season. An extra million or so isn't going to tip the balance.

You really excited about Quick and Domingue splitting the crease next year?

Why is it untradeable? Plenty of teams can afford to pay the bonus

Took a peek at panthers situation for next year on capfriendly. Giving reinhart 11m will slaughter their depth. They have a ton of holes to fill and not a lot of money. Id gladly trade that for a cup though

There are no guarantees in this world.

 

[NikC]

They did not lose 4 straight and they did not have a better roster. 2024 Lafreniere and Trocheck >>>>>>>> Cooked Tarasenko and Kane.

thinking of rd 3 vs Tampa...

on paper, with mikkola on defense, it was a better a roster, plus Motte.

 

[NikC]

Yes I am.

Igor is the best goalie of this generation. He seems to be getting even better as he ages (and he is not old)

1 team wins the Stanley Cup. I want to win as much as anyone but I also want to enjoy the entire season. An extra million or so isn't going to tip the balance.

You really excited about Quick and Domingue splitting the crease next year?


There are no guarantees in this world.

i don't agree. and sincerely hope they trade him if he wants much money.

They'll be in the same position just like they were with Hank. good but never good enough.

 

[Hire Sather]

thinking of rd 3 vs Tampa...

on paper, with mikkola on defense, it was a better a roster, plus Motte.

Motte? Lol who cares about Motte

Trochek over Strome is such a massive upgrade. How is that roster better?

 

[bobbop]

i don't agree. and sincerely hope they trade him if he wants much money.

They'll be in the same position just like they were with Hank. good but never good enough.

You’re never going to get present day value back in a trade.

 

[bobbop]

Why is it untradeable? Plenty of teams can afford to pay the bonus

Took a peek at panthers situation for next year on capfriendly. Giving reinhart 11m will slaughter their depth. They have a ton of holes to fill and not a lot of money. Id gladly trade that for a cup though

Contracts that are loaded with bonuses are basically untradeable. They also are impossible to buy out. Agents and players structure contracts this way to lock a player to a team (see Panarin) for the length of the contract.

 

[mike14]

thinking of rd 3 vs Tampa...

on paper, with mikkola on defense, it was a better a roster, plus Motte.

The team that lost 4 to TBL didn't have Mikkola, it had Braun (and rookie Schneider).
It also had Rooney and Hunt, plus pre-breakout Laf, so not convinced at all it was a better roster

 

[LannyMcdonald]

You know what we need? More Canadians on the roster. For real.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

thinking of rd 3 vs Tampa...

on paper, with mikkola on defense, it was a better a roster, plus Motte.

Trocheck over Strome is a massive upgrade and Lafreniere was also a massive upgrade. But our defense as a whole the guys that we kill in 2024 were probably better in 2022. I will be honest I have a hard time taking that team seriously because of how much they got embarrassed by a good not great playoff team in Pittsburgh. We lucked out that we beat a 3rd string goalie but we got dominated that series. We were much better (defensively) against the Panthers this year and the Panthers are much better than that Pens team.

 

[NikC]

Motte? Lol who cares about Motte

Trochek over Strome is such a massive upgrade. How is that roster better?

Motte played well for the rangers the previous season in the playoffs...
they picked him up again last season for the playoffs as well.
they had trocheck last season.
But they also had Tarasenko and Kane, with Mikkola on defense.

that is a better roster on paper than the one they iced this year.
regardless of the results.

You’re never going to get present day value back in a trade.

locking up that cash in the goalie position is a dire mistake imo.
we tried that... it didn't work. it wont work now. Igor is not better than Hank.

they need a few more years in the rebuild, but Gorton need more coke money.

this organization sucks.

 

[NikC]

Trocheck over Strome is a massive upgrade and Lafreniere was also a massive upgrade. But our defense as a whole the guys that we kill in 2024 were probably better in 2022. I will be honest I have a hard time taking that team seriously because of how much they got embarrassed by a good not great playoff team in Pittsburgh. We lucked out that we beat a 3rd string goalie but we got dominated that series. We were much better (defensively) against the Panthers this year and the Panthers are much better than that Pens team.

no lol. i messed up initially by saying they lost 4 straight to NJ LAST YEAR. I meant the 22 season playoffs agianst tampa my bad.

Last year against the devils, they had a better roster on paper than this current year.

 

[mandiblesofdoom]

Its also the wrong year to deal Trouba.

Deal him now, and you're taking back another bad contract and /or retaining.

Deal him in his final year and it's just a cutting of the chord and it would help us get Igor/LaF under contract long term.

If Trouba's here, he plays. That's bad.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

no lol. i messed up initially by saying they lost 4 straight to NJ LAST YEAR. I meant the 22 season playoffs agianst tampa my bad.

Last year against the devils, they had a better roster on paper than this current year.

I don't think they did honestly. As I said the upgrade in Trocheck and Lafreniere was massive.Mikola is not a difference maker. I guess Fox is the big difference because he was injured this year but I heard he was injured last year too and that's not a roster issue. Trouba/Lindgren were probably better last year.

 

[bl02]

If Trouba's here, he plays. That's bad.

and does anyone think he won't be getting 2nd pairing minutes over Schneider? Or possibly be on the pp2 again?
barf

 

[JimmyG89]

David Perron is not the answer to any of the teams questions. Maybe 2 years ago, but not now.

Is Drury going to talk tomorrow? He was happy to do a media after round 2, but is he going to talk about what this team needs? Can anyone ask him about upgrading the defense instead of asking him if he is disappointed in losing?

We can't continue to roll out this defense. Something needs to be done. Even a 2nd pairing level d man resolves issues.

Go ask MTL about Matheson. He's a very good player now. Can run PP2 as well. Pair him with Schneider. 4.875 is a bargain for him and you get 2 seasons out of him. Call up JD and whip up a deal for Provorov. Wadell is going to want to make his imprints on the team too.

We can't shuffle the deck chairs. We've got forward prospects and need at least a 2nd pair d man. We can sign another if they actually do move Trouba.

The teams that have won are willing to make bold moves. It's time to kick it up a notch.

 

[mas0764]

You’re never going to get present day value back in a trade.

Cap space saved is value.

 

[Bondra slapshot]

it's interesting that amidst all of this talk, the Panthers are one of the best examples of a team that turned their culture around so quickly. Any of you remember when Bill Zito the GM of the Panthers held a conference 2 years ago and said he would do anything it took to get the Panthers a cup? He was a man on a mission since that conference and he really went all-in.

If Drury wants to continue with this window, then he has to grow a pair and pull the trigger on one or two hockey trades that will really change the culture of this team. Everyone hates hockey trades nowadays. Everyone's so scared of what the trade tree can look like. People nowadays only do the classic buyer-seller trade at the draft for an expiring player or at the TDL. Yea, those have their place but they can only do so much. Drury needs to get the balls and make a hockey trade or two that will sting. He needs to roll the dice for a higher reward. He still needs to make TDL trades too though, and be willing to part with assets that will bring in more than Roslovic and Wennberg.

if you think of it, hockey across the board has gotten soft, not just in the play but even in the managing. Yea, there's less hitting, less fighting and all that but even less hockey trades as well, and players get NMC and NTC likes its candy. everyone's so timid in all aspects today. damn...