JCProdigy
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Yeah. They didn't need to trade him at all at that point. If Drury didn't get what he wanted he could have held onto Buch. He fell in love with Blais and what he envisioned he could become.
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1 Cup in 84 years does scream impatience and entitlement...
effen
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Everyone is forgetting the problem with Buchnevich at the time was paying him $3M -> $6M was going to make the roster very very difficult to work the second Adam Fox went from 825k/yr to $9.5M.
If they did make it work, there's no money for Vincent Trochek for example and a huge 2C hole for example.
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no idea what this means. fans have no control over whether or not the team wins.
what the fans think the team should do to win is what embodies the impatience and entitlement, not how they respond to a season ending with a loss.
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effen
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The org gives zero rusty f***s about what the fanbase thinks. See: fan outreach, social media presence, doing f***ing anything on a network they own, etc.
As long as the economy is good and the lower bowl and the boxes sell is what they care about, followed by Dolan wanting to win now because he's alive and winning is more fun than losing.
But fans have nothing to do with anything. You can't possibly think that a management team that speaks to the public once a year cares what Larry Brooks writes in the Post. Nonsense. Noncents even.
So the fans, who have no control yet do have the ability to influence the team through the media, embodies impatience and entitlement within the organization, which manifests itself as one Cup in 84 years?
effen
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I think its a roundabout way of blaming fans for the team not doing a long ass rebuild? Not sure.
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The Toronto Maple Leaf fan base disproves this point entirely.
The most self important, delusional, magical thinking group I’ve seen. Utter morons, the lot of them
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nope.
1.75 for reaves
3.64 for goodrow
2.5 for nemeth
about 8 right there.
strome was getting 4.5, trocheck got 5.6, a 1.1mm increase.
5.8 + 1.1 is less than the 8 we paid for nemeth/goodrow/reaves.
it's not hard to fact check this stuff.
I think you've just described sports fans in general. There are certainly levels, but 'sense' just seems to go out the window when it comes to fandom, which is both a good and bad thing
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JCProdigy
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They didn't need to make it work past that current season. They didn't need to give him the contract and they also didn't need to trade him in the offseason.
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With Joshua gone, I’m less sure what options are out there at forward who could make this team more difficult to play against. Edstrom obviously helps on the 4th line. Berard is kind of a water-bug high energy guy with skill.
Maybe Perron? He’s a bit of a PIA.
Marchessault? He’s a bit of a PIA.
Would they sig someone like Lomberg on the opposite wing from Edstrom and allow Cuylle to start on that 3rd line?
On defense there are more options.
Maybe Perron? He’s a bit of a PIA.
Marchessault? He’s a bit of a PIA.
Would they sig someone like Lomberg on the opposite wing from Edstrom and allow Cuylle to start on that 3rd line?
On defense there are more options.
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They’re worse and I want them to know it.
Can’t even sell out a game in the God damn Canadian capital because every person in Ontario is in love with the f***ing sick old man of Canada franchise that the last people who saw them win a cup are eligible for retirement benefits.
NYR Viper
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I keep forgetting about someone like Aube-Kubel. He’s low key a bit of a PIA and will cost minimal cap hit
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you're right to point this apparent incongruity out, so let me clarify: i can't speak to 84 years worth of mismanagement. i'm really talking about the last 20 years.
i think fan influence has changed in very recent history as social media and the internet has given platforms for vocal majorities. consider pride movements, etc. it's much subtler but still a real element imo for less specific issues like anti-euro bias.
i also didn't say fans control media, i said they feed it. fans aren't entirely culpable but i do believe that new york media is a cycle that capitalizes on what new york fans care about. This does have an influence on organizational strategy in my opinion. as was said (disparagingly), you can't rebuild in nyc.
I like Hakanpaa. I wonder if Rangers have interest. Can they afford someone like that? Underrated dman.
effen
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I don't think they were far along enough to justify self-renting Buch but I can respect it if that's your position.
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Most players want the best contract. There may be a little wiggle room here and there occasionally but while its a game to us to most players its a short career business.
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Don’t know him that well, who can download me on him. His stats and age are intriguing
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