Roster Building Thread - Part XI (Off-season edition)

[surlysailor]

Surprised no one has posted the snippet of Staple saying that Drury doesn’t like Panarin and has been wanting to get rid of him for a while

Good to know our GM is a doofus

I don’t think staple has any real sources. I had to unsubscribe from the athletic cause of him, and constantly trying to trade laf for nothing all of last season.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

They're not going to trade Shesterkin.

They're going to re-sign him to an eye-popping contract and be mediocre for the duration of it.

Would be a Ranger thing to do.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Staple is an Islander guy through and through.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

They're not going to trade Shesterkin.

They're going to re-sign him to an eye-popping contract and be mediocre for the duration of it.

Fingers crossed.

Much rather that than have a nice team that can play and defend, only to have a Frederik Andersen in net letting up softies in big playoff games.

Too bad he cant just figure out how to make a solid team in front of an elite goalie. Oh well, lets ship out the elite goalie, that will solve all the problems for sure.

 

[UnSandvich]

Surprised no one has posted the snippet of Staple saying that Drury doesn’t like Panarin and has been wanting to get rid of him for a while

Good to know our GM is a doofus

Staple would've been happy if the Rangers bought out Laf before the season. He's an idiot, an Islanders homer, and honestly not worth the time you waste reading his work

 

[TominNC]

Would be a Ranger thing to do.

The Rangers haven't been mediocre for ages. Is it only Rangers fans who think annual playoff and reguler ECF runs is mediocre?

 

[AirGut]

yeah Shest is going nowhere. He will get his money and this team will try and make every year of that contract count. I assure you

 

[bernmeister]

Don Waddell with the Carolina Hurricanes had iced one of the top teams in the NHL over the last six years only to not make it past the ECF.
One (not the only) reason has been a dependable goalie.
Might be worth Chris Drury calling and find out what Don would find an acceptable salary that he’d be willing to pay Shesterkin the next 8 years plus he’s getting Igor’s one season remaining at 5.6 million. Shesterkin currently has a 10 team no trade list. Guessing, 7 of those teams are in Canada. Wouldn’t guess on the other 3 but if Columbus isn’t one of them might be worth looking into Igor Shesterkin for Elvis Merzlikins plus what ever Drury wants from the Blue Jacket cupboard .
Merzlikins with a chance of scenery and working with Benoit Allaire could be a steal and we always have Quick.
Sell for Columbus is you build a team from the goalie out and the Blue Jackets are getting the best goalie in the NHL for the next 9 years.

Make the call Chris.

1. EVERYBODY PLS STOP W/STUPID WIN NOW like trade KK
smart move is, w/few exceptions [kreider] to sell high

KK = do not sell cheap, let value develop, play w/Chytil + Cuylle

bread not coming back
loves FL = a fit
Cats likely have Rein lost due to ufa

take Mikkola + 2 picks + cap relief
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2. smarter move is to deal Shesty to tor = no damage in div
also use that to move Zib

Trouba + 3rd for 2 2nds
Lindy + 4th for 2 2nds
bread dealt
Zib gets the message + waives

Zib + Shesty + 2025 1st [which Leafs lack]
for
Nylander + Lilj + Knies + 2024 + 2026 1sts

Kreider + Nylander = great bookend 1Ws
try Knies at pivot

tell Kane 1 yr stopgap show me otherwise fug it

Othman + Berard
for now LaF stays
Lilj helps as RD
gamble on Garand

extra picks, recover from stupid rentals unless offer is too good

 

[effen]

In the same time span I counted 5.

Art ross is 6 since 1982 with half of them being Gretzky in the 80's.

I don't think its really a meaningful argument anyway. I think just simply saying "Look at the goalies who have won in the last 20 years and tell me how many of them have been elite" gets the point across.

I counted each Lidstrom (3x) hit but I didn't cross reference my work, it was off memory. Makar, Keith, Lidstrom 3x, Chelios, Coffey?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I counted each Lidstrom (3x) hit but I didn't cross reference my work, it was off memory. Makar, Keith, Lidstrom 3x, Chelios, Coffey?

Makar Keith and Coffey did. Chelios did not.


Only 2 of Lidstroms Norris wins also happened in a cup year (2002,2008.)

 

[Machinehead]

Fingers crossed.

Much rather that than have a nice team that can play and defend, only to have a Frederik Andersen in net letting up softies in big playoff games.

Too bad he cant just figure out how to make a solid team in front of an elite goalie. Oh well, lets ship out the elite goalie, that will solve all the problems for sure.

Once we can't lean on that crutch anymore, we might be forced to actually build a team. So, yes.

 

[Machinehead]

The Rangers haven't been mediocre for ages. Is it only Rangers fans who think annual playoff and reguler ECF runs is mediocre?

I wouldn't call them mediocre if they played a winning brand of hockey and just happened to fall short.

I call them mediocre because they're straight up not a good hockey team at 5v5 and they have to limp through every round.

 

[duhmetreE]

Who would Panarin even waive for? I don’t see it happening unless there’s retention involved to a place like Florida to replace Reinhart.

Then what are you getting back?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Who would Panarin even waive for? I don’t see it happening unless there’s retention involved to a place like Florida to replace Reinhart.

Then what are you getting back?

Vegas?

I’d take Theodore and Roy and use what ever is left over towards Guentzel.

 

[effen]

Vegas?

I’d take Theodore and Roy and use what ever is left over towards Guentzel.

Fun thought experiment: Might waive for the Islanders.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

I wouldn't call them mediocre if they played a winning brand of hockey and just happened to fall short.

I call them mediocre because they're straight up not a good hockey team at 5v5 and they have to limp through every round.

That combined with the fact that all their strengths are the definition of born on 3rd base but still can’t score. Best defenseman in the league forced his way there and is good from day 1, top 5 player in the league signs in FA and explodes, best goalie in the league also just shows up out of nowhere, back to back top 2 draft picks. Still can’t build a 5v5 juggernaut when the hardest pieces to acquire showed up basically for free. You’re mediocre when you consistently fail epically at basic talent evaluation needed to fill out the role players

 

[Machinehead]

That combined with the fact that all their strengths are the definition of born on 3rd base but still can’t score. Best defenseman in the league forced his way there and is good from day 1, top 5 player in the league signs in FA and explodes, best goalie in the league also just shows up out of nowhere, back to back top 2 draft picks. Still can’t build a 5v5 juggernaut when the hardest pieces to acquire showed up basically for free. You’re mediocre when you consistently fail epically at basic talent evaluation needed to fill out the role players

It's their love for the bad players that they still can't get over.

They have two legit bad defensemen in their top 4.

They also hitched their wagon to Zibanejad when the warning signs were there. I would have played moneyball with it and got Hertl, and then eventually Trocheck (I don't think Eichel was ever happening because Buffalo high-balled us and demanded Lafreniere while they were accepting less from others).

It's not the sexy top-2 centers headed to the Hall of Fame that you usually see on Cup winners, that's a valid criticism, but you kind of either draft those or you don't.

It was very obvious that Zibanejad was never that and now we're in a worse position.

 

[n8]

Makar Keith and Coffey did. Chelios did not.

Only 2 of Lidstroms Norris wins also happened in a cup year (2002,2008.)

Guys, it's super simple. You need a 1OA level HoF goalie supported by a generational talent and one of the best Russians in history OR a unicorn best all-round defenseman supported by the another one of the best Russians in history who happens to be one of the best skating, stick handling, and multiple Selke trophy winners, another top 5 HoF goaltender, the Swedish power twins, and their cousin who hits like a truck. Igor just needs to prematurely get inducted into the HoF and then I'd like our chances. It's a shame Kravtsov didn't pan out at center, otherwise that'd be another piece of the puzzle solved!

 

[Clark Kellogg]

The Rangers haven't been mediocre for ages. Is it only Rangers fans who think annual playoff and reguler ECF runs is mediocre?

You’re replying to me instead of the original poster? Curious, do yo have the mod blocked?
Also, I replied to a comment about the Rangers going forward. Nothing there was said about the Rangers recent performances.
Also surprised at all the knee jerk reactions emojis you received from your misstatement.

 

[noncents]

Staple is an Islander guy through and through.

total clown.

 

[Fitzy]

NYR were mediocre from 2006-2011 roughly. Was only through the development of McDonagh and the scoring depth that emerged under Torts and then AV that made this team an actual playoff roster before factoring in Lundqvist.

What’s funny is that our roster when we “gave up” in 2017 was still miles better than any we fielded from 2008-2010

 

[Clark Kellogg]

1. EVERYBODY PLS STOP W/STUPID WIN NOW like trade KK
smart move is, w/few exceptions [kreider] to sell high

KK = do not sell cheap, let value develop, play w/Chytil + Cuylle

bread not coming back
loves FL = a fit
Cats likely have Rein lost due to ufa

take Mikkola + 2 picks + cap relief
------------------

2. smarter move is to deal Shesty to tor = no damage in div
also use that to move Zib

Trouba + 3rd for 2 2nds
Lindy + 4th for 2 2nds
bread dealt
Zib gets the message + waives

Zib + Shesty + 2025 1st [which Leafs lack]
for
Nylander + Lilj + Knies + 2024 + 2026 1sts

Kreider + Nylander = great bookend 1Ws
try Knies at pivot

tell Kane 1 yr stopgap show me otherwise fug it

Othman + Berard
for now LaF stays
Lilj helps as RD
gamble on Garand

extra picks, recover from stupid rentals unless offer is too good

Having trouble navigating through your post but I do agree with you on win now move is a bad move.
3 years ago. Rangers ran out of gas (endurance)?
2 years ago. Rangers couldn’t win the board battles and were not quick enough.
This year. Rangers couldn’t/wouldn’t drive the middle. Weren’t strong enough. Back end undersized.
These aren’t my words, these are the words of Steve Valliqutte, Henrik Lundqvist and recently Brian Boyle in the final MSG Post Game shows of the years.
Can’t keep rolling back the same core with all those warts that the MSG team says our club have.

 

[Flan the incredible]

I don’t want to pay either. Stuart f***ing Skinner is about to win the cup.

You can’t win relying on a goalie.

Rangers need to remove the security blanket and build an actual elite team .

And you can't rely on the Rangers getting a generational talent who will probably be one of the greatest players to ever play the game when he retires. Guess which one is more likely for the Rangers to win a cup with?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I don’t want to pay either. Stuart f***ing Skinner is about to win the cup.

You can’t win relying on a goalie.

Rangers need to remove the security blanket and build an actual elite team .

First we need five 1st overall picks within 7 years, and one of them has to include the 2nd best offensive player ever. Then we need a 3rd overall pick is who is also a franchise center. Then we can remove the blanket and get Skinner.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

First we need three 1st overall picks, and one of them has to include the 2nd best offensive player ever. Then we need a 3rd overall pick is who is also a franchise center. Then we can remove the blanket and get Skinner.

Adin Hill won last year . No generational 1st overall picks on that team